Re: Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver
From: Fellippe Galletta (fellippe.gallettagmail.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:12:49 -0700 (PDT)
I just can't believe that a Ferrari dealer would actually post that kind of
stuff on a website....

Wow.

FG


On 4/6/07, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:


On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Dennis Liu wrote:

> <can't...restrain...myself...>
>
> Tell me, Rob, or Tom.
>
> Why is it "greedy" for a dealer to sell a new Ferrari for whatever
> people
> will pay for it?

Because that is what is destroying our country, for example:


Bad Ford CEO $28,000,000 for fours months pay Ford lost 9 billion 1st quarter 14 plants closing major layoffs

Good
Toyota building plants in US and employing thousands of workers
with high paying jobs with benifits Why would they do this if they
could build them cheaper some where else?  The answer is
if americans dont have jobs who is going to buy their product,
something the big 3 is learnig the hard way. So they are being good
businessmen and good corporate citizens also

Bad
Bill Gates richest man in world wants unlimited V- 1B foreign workers
so he can pay them less than his american employees,
even though he is the richest man in the world! What a jerk. I must
admit here I have a Mac.

Good
???
Not many stories here


> > Let me ask this question - assume that Ferrari did not announce any > prices. > No MSRP.

But why do they??????
>
> Instead, Ferrari allowed each dealer to sell their allocations at
> whatever
> the market would bear.  Say that each dealer, when it received a
> car, would
> auction it off.

Isnt that what they are doing anyway in an underhanded way?
>
> Would that be greedy?
>
> Do you really think that the dealer ought to be obligated to sell
> their
> precious few allocated new Ferraris to any guy off the street, and
> then that
> lucky guy can auction it off and keep the $50k difference?  Why
> should that
> $50k NOT go to th dealer?  Is it some inherent right of the guy off
> the
> street?

I still think its  wrong, and bad business in the long run. Lets say
you piss off you best customer and someday all the rich  dont want
Ferraris anymore as they
all want muscle cars, and never were true tifosi anyway?

>
> Ah, might you say, did that guy "earn" that right by getting on a
> list?  So,
> simply by virtue of waiting a few years, I've *earned* the right to
> the $50k
> profit, instead of the dealer?

Ive known guys on the list for 4 years just to be bumped off for no
reason, so the dealer could give it to a friend who could sell it
back to them so that they could resale it...

I have no problem with a list, that is fair
>
> Please.  Stop the hypocrisy.  When we have an asset to sell,
> whether it's a
> car, a house, a guitar, an electric toothbrush, we want to obtain the
> maximum price that people will pay.  Whether we sell it at auction
> or not,
> if we have multiple parties that want to buy it, we'll sell it to
> the one
> that will pay the most money (and don't kid yourself otherwise).

I agree but there is a limit to a reasonable profit in a "civilized
society". before the banking industry was deregulated (which I think
was wrong and which hopefully will change soon!) interest rates like
the credit card companies are charging would land you in jail
>
> Tom, if you were selling your house, listed it for $500k, and you
> woke up
> and had five guys lined up outside your door that wanted to buy, do
> you take
> $500k to the guy who happened to be first in line, or do you entertain
> offers from all give guys?

They never said that you could buy it at any cost, they said you
would probably not be able to get one, again why does Ferrari NA have
a lsited price, and why do they make dealers stick to it, and
why doesnt Ferrari charge what the market would seem to bear, if
that is unlimited?

It is the same reason WALMART sucks and Eron ripped off "grandmas" in
Califorina and Haliburton got a no bid contract, and the reason that
we here in CA are paying .50 more per gallon for gas than most other
states, even though we are one of the top oil producers......

Because greedy people will rip people off whenever they can if there
is no law, or societal restraints that prevents them. Enzo Ferrari
would be rolling in his grave!

I guess am just tired of being ripped off and lied to. At least they
were being honest about being dishonest.

I have to agree with Clyde on this one

Rob
rant off, back to lurk mode :=)



>
> So why the heck is that different from the Ferrari dealer?
>
> Vty,
>
> --Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:58 PM
> To: Dennis Liu
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver
>
> Well, you know Rob, it's just the usual elitist snobbery.  I mean,
> I guess
> there's a place for that (FoDenver, apparently) but it's just too
> bad people
> have to be that petty.
> Sympathetically,
> Tom in Tulsa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert W. Garven Jr." <rgarven [at] gmail.com>
> To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver
>
>
>> What they should say is:
>>
>> We are too greedy to sell you a new Ferrari so we will sell it to our
>> best friend then he will sell it back to us and we will then sell you
>> a used ferrari for $50,000 over MSRP.
>>
>> I think they sound like every Ferrari dealer is expected and frankly
>> very sad....... I wouldn't buy a sticker from them...
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Dennis Liu wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, just awesome Frequently Asked Questions section on the
>>> Ferrari of
>>> Denver website.  Just the right amount of obnoxiousness, mixed in
>>> with a
>>> whole lot of truth.  Bravo.
>>>
>>> vty,
>>>
>>> --Dennis
>>>
>>> http://www.ferrariofdenver.com/faq.cfm
>>>
>>> FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Q. What's better? Leasing or buying, or cash?
>>> A. No simple answer, especially on high dollar purchases. Cash: ok,
>>> but it
>>> warrants NO discounts for the purchase ... cash has no advantage.
>>> Leases &
>>> Loans turn into immediate cash, so at the end of the day it's cash
>>> anyhow.
>>> At most dealerships, offering cash lessens profits, don't do the
>>> old "how
>>> much if I pay cash" routine, that actually works to your
>>> disadvantage.
>>> Wiring bank to bank money transfers (nationally & internationally)
>>> are the
>>> only way to quickly and expediently transfer large sums to us.
>>> Finance: we
>>> can arrange any term financing (24-60 months is very common), even
>>> with zero
>>> dollars down if your credit & income is strong enough. Competitive
>>> finance
>>> rates come from Bentley Financial Services, Maserati Financial
>>> Services and
>>> JP Morgan Chase, plus others. We can even arrange financing for any
>>> make,
>>> model or year car that we sell. You'll need depth (equally high
>>> dollar
>>> amount loans in the past), a good credit score & healthy income.
>>> p.s. We
>>> have no way of obtaining financing for marginal credit. Leasing:
>>> How is it
>>> different from financing? In its simplest terms: You're paying the
>>> depreciation & interest monthly, and accounting for the disposition
>>> of the
>>> car (turning it in at the end) in advance. If you need tax
>>> advantages as a
>>> business or sole proprietor, leasing wins. Depreciation plus
>>> interest makes
>>> leasing tax deductable for most business applications (see your
>>> CPA). Luxury
>>> automobiles are the most logical to lease, and there is virtually
>>> no upper
>>> limit to eligible cost. Leasing also takes some of the sting out of
>>> sales
>>> taxes by taxing the monthly payment, not the entire purchase amount
>>> (don't
>>> confuse this with ownership taxes & fees for lic. plates, which you
>>> still
>>> have to pay). Conventional closed end leases (80% of our lease
>>> business) and
>>> several variations of open end leases (sometimes called simple
>>> interest
>>> leases) are available. Call for details on the difference, it can
>>> be a big
>>> surprise. Yes, leasing delivers the most car for your monthly
>>> expenditure.
>>> But... leasing is a commitment that is inflexible & therefore
>>> costly to get
>>> out of. Once you lease, it's yours till the end, or bring lots of
>>> money to
>>> pay off your remaining contractal obligation... that's pretty
>>> simple; but no
>>> one seems to get it. Principal is amortized slowly on a lease
>>> because the
>>> debt is never designed to go to zero; no one seems to understand
>>> that
>>> either. You cannot easily trade in your leased car, because lease
>>> debt is
>>> structured completely different from a loan. But at the end of
>>> every closed
>>> end (conventional) lease, you turn in the old car & get a new one;
>>> it's
>>> painless and becomes the primary logic for leasing in the first
>>> place: easy
>>> and quick, always drive a new car. Leasing usually requires a
>>> higher credit
>>> score than most purchases. Tie your lease to your own trading
>>> patterns &
>>> mileage; If you normally trade after 18 months, don't put yourself
>>> into a
>>> 5-year lease (yet people still do that every day too). Credit
>>> challenged a
>>> bit? We've even found a special leasing option for you, but still
>>> requires
>>> high documented income. Now, if you keep your car forever, don't
>>> lease...conventional financing or cash is best. And we discourage
>>> those 120
>>> month finance plans for all the obvious reasons; if you need the
>>> lower
>>> payment that bad, perhaps you're stretched a bit too thin already &
>>> should
>>> lower your sights. We can tailor almost any plan to your situation.
>>> And the
>>> answer to the most frequent finance question of all? No, you can't
>>> put the
>>> car on your credit card.... cards typically pay merchants with 96
>>> cent
>>> dollars, & we won't do that for anyone.
>>>
>>> Q. Is this the only franchised new car dealership for Ferrari,
>>> Maserati,
>>> Bentley and Lotus in Colorado? I see advertising from others that
>>> claim they
>>> are.
>>> A. Yes. There is NO other franchised Ferrari, Maserati, Bentley or
>>> Lotus new
>>> car dealership in Colorado, And yes, we're aware that there are
>>> folks out
>>> there claiming to be. Wierd, huh?
>>>
>>> Q. Should I buy new or pre-owned?
>>> A. Depends on many factors..... Availability, price, condition, and
>>> quality.
>>> As an example, availability dictates that you're not geting a new
>>> Ferrari.
>>> However, Bentley, Maserati & Lotus cars are available in limited
>>> numbers as
>>> both new and pre-owned. Consider that advantages of factory
>>> Certified
>>> Pre-Owned (CPO) available exclusively from franchised dealerships:
>>> With CPO
>>> extended warranties within our four franchised brands, it would
>>> seem almost
>>> foolish to overlook that huge benefit. Warranty like a new car, but
>>> for less
>>> $$ over all. Financing on CPO cars pretty much mirrors new car
>>> rates, so the
>>> savings often make the decision for you.
>>>
>>> Q. I bought a used Ferrari/Maserati/Bentley/Lotus somewhere else.
>>> Can you
>>> put a Certified Pre-Owned Warranty on this?
>>> A. Of course not. NO manufacturer will certify any car that their
>>> franchised
>>> dealership did not sell, has not owned, and inspected & serviced &
>>> brought
>>> up to date in every aspect of its reconditioning. We believe in the
>>> benefits
>>> of the factory extended warranty. And the CPO warranty on any
>>> brand is
>>> always available exclusively from that franchised dealership, and
>>> never an
>>> independent. We can't put a CPO warranty on a Jaguar, and a Jaguar
>>> dealership can't put CPO on a Bentley.
>>>
>>> Q. Is it true that I cannot order a new Ferrari?
>>> A. Yes. And while that might sound a bit rude, it is really a simple
>>> equation of supply and demand. Do you really think we'd turn away
>>> perfectly
>>> good revenue? In a perfect world, we could get all the new Ferraris
>>> that we
>>> could sell (like the Ford or Chevy dealer can). But we can't. New
>>> Ferrari
>>> cars are limited. Under 5000 each year for the entire planet. At
>>> all the USA
>>> franchised Fererari dealerships, the 430s & 599s are pre-sold &
>>> back ordered
>>> many years in advance. So... Rather than let our back-order
>>> situation just
>>> get worse, we had to fix the problem. But it's not just Ferrari of
>>> Denver.
>>> All the franchised Ferrari dealers are sold-out years into the
>>> future. Check
>>> around, it's true. We're delivering Ferrari cars in 2007 that were
>>> ordered
>>> in 2001-2 (no kidding). Ferrari of Denver no longer accepts orders
>>> on new
>>> Ferrari because the demand side of that equation got too big and
>>> the supply
>>> side stayed the same. Now, think what that does in the marketplace
>>> for value
>>> of ANY Ferrari. For Ferrari cars available now, focus on the
>>> trade-in
>>> Ferraris on the inventory page.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I order a new Bentley?
>>> A. Yes, But it might not be necessary. We have a pretty fair
>>> selection of
>>> Continental-series Bentley. In most cases.... Bentley build-
>>> positions are
>>> available in VERY limited numbers, and we will build a Bentley for
>>> you with
>>> a non refundable cash deposit. Azure and Arnage probably cannot be
>>> ordered,
>>> as the pipeline between order date and delivery date is 8-12
>>> months; these
>>> are still handbuilt by skilled artisans. Continental Convertible is
>>> mostly
>>> sold out, Flying Spur is mostly out of production (for the time
>>> being) but
>>> the inventory is fairly good nationwide, and the GT is becoming
>>> quite rare
>>> to find a production slot. And note: we can not retail into another
>>> Bentley
>>> retailer's state.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I order a new Maserati?
>>> A. Yes. But again, it might not be necessary. The new Quattroporte
>>> Automatic
>>> is available now in limited numbers, and a special order at this
>>> time will
>>> probably take 6 months. The coupe and convertible are currently not
>>> being
>>> produced, but we stock a fair number of Certified Pre-Owned
>>> 2002-2006 at any
>>> given time.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I order a new Lotus?
>>> A. Not for 2007. The production numbers will be too small
>>> nationwide. You're
>>> buying from inventory, and remember that we can (probably) get you
>>> any color
>>> you might want from any of our associate Lotus dealers across the
>>> country.
>>>
>>> Q. Can we just stop by the showroom and look and maybe take a
>>> picture or
>>> two?
>>> A. Yes, please be our guest. We welcome folks from all over the
>>> country that
>>> just stop in to look and maybe shoot the breeze for awhile.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I have some new car brochures?
>>> A. No longer. With the internet, our four franchised manufacturers
>>> have gone
>>> to virtual information, all of which can be printed from their
>>> websites.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I come test drive a Ferrari?
>>> A. No.
>>>
>>> Q. How about a Bentley?
>>> A. Probably not.
>>>
>>> Q. Ok, how about a Lotus?
>>> A. Probably not.
>>>
>>> Q. How about a Maserati?
>>> A. Probably not.
>>>
>>> Q. Why can't I come drive your cars? Every other dealership will
>>> let us
>>> drive.
>>> A. Here's our company philosophy: Isn't it nice to know that when
>>> you
>>> purchase a Ferrari or Bentley or Maserati or Lotus from Ferrari of
>>> Denver
>>> that it hasn't been loaned out to every wacko who walks thru the
>>> door?
>>> Here's what we know: Drivers aren't buyers and buyers aren't
>>> drivers....
>>> it's THE oldest rule in exotic car sales, and it is 100% accurate.
>>> Real
>>> buyers simply don't even ask. We aren't the local amusement park,
>>> and this
>>> isn't the local Ford dealership. As a business, we won't risk a
>>> valuable
>>> automobile for your amusement. There's no shortage of folks who
>>> would love
>>> to spend their day entertaining themselves at our expense, playing
>>> Ferrari/Bentley/etc buyer. And yes, really, we really do sell these
>>> cars
>>> without a test-drive or demo-drive.
>>>
>>> Q. How many cars does Ferrari of Denver sell in a year.
>>> A. Average 365: all four franchises, excludes wholesale cars that
>>> we do not
>>> keep. About the same as a larger domestic dealership sells in a
>>> month.
>>>
>>> Q. How do I get one of those wholesale cars?
>>> A. You can't. We wholesale within a very limited group of franchised
>>> dealers. But.... look on E-BAY for our non-franchised cars &
>>> selected
>>> specials. Usually a good selection of diverse cars that are
>>> available for
>>> bid, plus you can come view them at the dealership in person. We
>>> have a 100%
>>> positive rating with past E-bay buyers. Doesn't get much better.
>>>
>>> Q. I want to sell advertising to Ferrari of Denver. Who do I
>>> contact?
>>> A. Mostly, we are linked to several philanthropic & charitable
>>> organizations
>>> and client-based relationships. We advertise very little, and most
>>> of what
>>> you do see costs us nothing. New advertising venues will not be
>>> considered.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I call you guys and ask for free advice?
>>> A. Yes, as long as you remember that it's worth what it costs.
>>>
>>> Q. How does one join that exclusive group of Ferrari owners, if
>>> there are no
>>> new cars available for sale?
>>> A. Most of Ferrari's clientele is well-established and has been
>>> so for
>>> decades. That opportunity is long passed. 99.9% of first time
>>> Ferrari buyers
>>> start with a pre-owned Ferrari. Keep within your budget, and buy
>>> the best
>>> car that you can afford; not the worst, and certainly not the
>>> cheapest, then
>>> trade up. Provenance (history/documentation)is everything. Buy
>>> from a
>>> franchised Ferrari dealership, even if it isn't us. ONLY Ferrari
>>> dealerships
>>> can get you Ceretified Pre Owned Ferrari Factory extended
>>> warranties. Your
>>> Ferrari will be worth more in the future with good Ferrari history.
>>> Also
>>> consider having the Ferrari factory CERTIFY your prize 25 year old
>>> or older
>>> Ferrari. Fairly inexpensive, and multiplies the value. We can
>>> arrange that
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Q. Should I take my Ferrari to an independent for service and
>>> repairs?
>>> A. That's completely up to you. But, for newer Ferrari models,
>>> absolutley
>>> not. No independent has the factory's support and warranties (even
>>> though
>>> they will tell you different). Our very own Bill Evandon is ONE of
>>> only NINE
>>> Ferrari Factory certified Master Technicians in the USA, right
>>> here at
>>> Ferrari of Denver (the other 8 are also within the franchised
>>> Ferrari
>>> community). That's a tough act to follow. Plus you'll also get
>>> Ferrari-backed nationwide warranty on almost all service and
>>> repairs. Again,
>>> no indy can claim that. For your prized Ferrari's future value, it's
>>> certainly easier to explain franchised Ferrari dealership service
>>> documentation; it spends well when you go to sell. Buyers like
>>> seeing that
>>> you can actually care for the Ferrari properly. If you need it done
>>> cheap
>>> and probably half-wrong, go for it. We're still here to help you
>>> do it
>>> right, later.
>>>
>>> Q. Is Alfa Romeo coming back to the USA?
>>> A. Yes, perhaps as early as 2008. But the brand won't be the
>>> $10,000 Spider
>>> we used to sell in the late 70s & early 80s.
>>>
>>> Q. I have a Ferrari. My friends have been invited to your private
>>> track
>>> events in the past, how do I get an invitation?
>>> A. If your Ferrari is from somewhere else (we didn't sell it)
>>> you're still
>>> on the outside looking in. Sorry.
>>>
>>> Q. Can you arrange a factory tour at Ferrari?
>>> A. Yes, with a copy of your Ferrari registration or title.
>>> Ferrari is
>>> pleased to have owners visit the factory and take the tour, but
>>> reservations
>>> are absolutley required. Contact us for details & limitations. Not
>>> a Ferrari
>>> owner? Sorry, no tour because they simply don't have the staff.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I visit the Bentley Factory at Crewe England?
>>> A. Yes, and you don't need to be an owner of a Bentley. By
>>> reservation only,
>>> and we will arrange it for you. Amazing day at Crewe awaits.
>>>
>>> Q. I want an Enzo or F40 or F50. How do I go about getting you to
>>> find one
>>> for me.
>>> A. Like any of our endeavors, we start with the Jerry Maguire (show
>>> me the
>>> money). On the specialty high dollar cars, we'll not accept the
>>> assignment
>>> on a casual basis; instead requiring a contract be established
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Q. How many of your cars have their pictures "stolen" for Myspace?
>>> A. We looked it up, and last month that occurred 176 times.
>>>
>>> Q. Can I consign my Ferrari/Maserati/Bentley/Lotus with you for
>>> sale?
>>> A. No. We own our inventory. But, There are lots of places in town
>>> who can't
>>> afford to own these cars; we're sure they'll take your car on
>>> consignment.
>>> They're easy to find.... the ones that claim they are real Ferrari
>>> dealer
>>> too. And good luck with that.
>>>
>>> Q. How many cars does Ferrari bring to the USA each year? What
>>> about other
>>> high end makes? What makes Ferrari THE pinnacle collector car?
>>> A. About 1200 new Ferrari are produced for America each year. 100 a
>>> month or
>>> so, That's not very many. GM makes that many cars in about 6
>>> minutes. With
>>> Ferrari's Formula 1 dominance and 60 years of racing history,
>>> nothing can
>>> compare with Ferrari's ongoing excitement and desirability. Ferrari
>>> factory
>>> is working 100% to fill worldwide demand. But, Ferrari cannot clone
>>> skilled
>>> artisans to produce more. So... you can get a new Lambo right now.
>>> Good car.
>>> Or a new Porsche: also a good car, but one of maybe 50,000 for
>>> America this
>>> year. It really becomes this simple equation: supply and demand.
>>> Which one's
>>> the best investment? The prancing horse of course.
>>>
>>> Q. Is it true that 85% of your sales go to existing and repeat
>>> clientele?
>>> Why is that?
>>> A. Maybe it's because our customer support is unparalleled. Maybe
>>> it is Bill
>>> Stewart's efforts to establish this dealership as the leader in
>>> Colorado.
>>> Maybe it's the 35 years of continuous operation in Denver. Maybe
>>> it's as
>>> simple as supply and demand and great clients who can understand and
>>> appreciate that this enterprise isn't a passing fancy. Compare us
>>> with all
>>> the short term undercapitalized imitators with 2-3 years under
>>> their belt.
>>> Our investment in our personnel's ongoing training and
>>> infrastructure, the
>>> costs associated with the building and the inventory and the
>>> growth..... not
>>> cheap, not easy and not easily imitated. Mostly, it's our faithful
>>> and loyal
>>> clients and friends who continue their patronage year after year.
>>>
>>> Q. Do you rent out your cars?
>>> A. No, but it's a common question. No one in Colordo rents exotic
>>> cars. The
>>> closest location for exotic automobile rentals (Ferrari & Bentley
>>> and such)
>>> is actually Budget of Beverly Hills. Be prepared for expensive
>>> daily rates
>>> and huge debit on your card for a damage deposit; but they will
>>> rent you
>>> almost anything you can afford, it just won't be cheap.
>>>
>>> Q. How accurate is CARFAX and all those online vehicle history
>>> checks that
>>> one can do?
>>> A. Mostly, they're pretty good. But as you can imagine, mistakes on
>>> $100,000
>>> and $200,000 cars can be significant. CARFAX is the largest, plus
>>> lots of
>>> sites you've never heard of.... titleguard, edmunds, autocheck,
>>> cardetective, and several others you can find with a google search.
>>> Of the
>>> group, titleguard is the worst; their accuracy is nil, they charge
>>> the most,
>>> and refuse to make corrections. Edmunds isn't much better, and
>>> sadly both
>>> sites have proven unresponsive to documentable corrections. For all
>>> the
>>> sites, errors are usually attributed to clerical issues on 17 digit
>>> VINs and
>>> 6 digit odometers. The state & smog-check agencies that report data
>>> are the
>>> worst; have you checked your annual emission report for accuracy?
>>> Right here
>>> at home, Air Care Colorado is erroneous on about 20% of their
>>> reporting,
>>> reading trip odometers and misreading regular ones. Recently, on a
>>> 2002
>>> Arnage we wanted to research prior to trading for it, carfax
>>> reported that a
>>> 16000 mile California car became 133000 mile car in one month. After
>>> "exhaustive" investigation, they concluded it wasn't probable to
>>> drive 163
>>> mph for 720 hours straight, and corrected it (I still have the old
>>> one for
>>> illustration). Also, high dollar cars often escape insurance
>>> payouts for
>>> minor accidents, so carfax cannot discover those repairs. Accident
>>> report
>>> document numbers are, by their own admission, bogus. They'll get
>>> the state
>>> and maybe the city right, not the report number. CARFAX made huge
>>> strides
>>> after Katrina to accurately identify flood cars, and they are to be
>>> commended; very few exotics seem to have been caught up in that sad
>>> disaster. So, yes, trust CARFAX, but not blindly. Use your noggin a
>>> bit.
>>>
>>> Q. American muscle cars are bringing ever-higher prices at the
>>> Collector Car
>>> Auctions; some costing more than significant Ferrari cars. Will this
>>> muscle-car price bubble burst?
>>> A. Count on it.
>>>
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