Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver

[philville (philville]

Haven't we always said honesty is the best policy.... in this case they are at 
least defining their policy no BS, these are the rules like it or not.

Regards Phil

From: "Fellippe Galletta" <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Date: 2007/04/06 Fri AM 03:12:43 EDT
To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
CC: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver

I just can't believe that a Ferrari dealer would actually post that kind of
stuff on a website....

Wow.

FG


On 4/6/07, Robert W. Garven Jr. <rgarven [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Dennis Liu wrote:
>
> > <can't...restrain...myself...>
> >
> > Tell me, Rob, or Tom.
> >
> > Why is it "greedy" for a dealer to sell a new Ferrari for whatever
> > people
> > will pay for it?
>
> Because that is what is destroying our country, for example:
>
>
> Bad
> Ford CEO $28,000,000 for fours months pay
> Ford lost 9 billion 1st quarter
> 14 plants closing
> major layoffs
>
> Good
> Toyota building plants in US and employing thousands of workers
> with high paying jobs with benifits Why would they do this if they
> could build them cheaper some where else?  The answer is
> if americans dont have jobs who is going to buy their product,
> something the big 3 is learnig the hard way. So they are being good
> businessmen and good corporate citizens also
>
> Bad
> Bill Gates richest man in world wants unlimited V- 1B foreign workers
> so he can pay them less than his american employees,
> even though he is the richest man in the world! What a jerk. I must
> admit here I have a Mac.
>
> Good
> ???
> Not many stories here
>
>
> >
> > Let me ask this question - assume that Ferrari did not announce any
> > prices.
> > No MSRP.
>
> But why do they??????
> >
> > Instead, Ferrari allowed each dealer to sell their allocations at
> > whatever
> > the market would bear.  Say that each dealer, when it received a
> > car, would
> > auction it off.
>
> Isnt that what they are doing anyway in an underhanded way?
> >
> > Would that be greedy?
> >
> > Do you really think that the dealer ought to be obligated to sell
> > their
> > precious few allocated new Ferraris to any guy off the street, and
> > then that
> > lucky guy can auction it off and keep the $50k difference?  Why
> > should that
> > $50k NOT go to th dealer?  Is it some inherent right of the guy off
> > the
> > street?
>
> I still think its  wrong, and bad business in the long run. Lets say
> you piss off you best customer and someday all the rich  dont want
> Ferraris anymore as they
> all want muscle cars, and never were true tifosi anyway?
>
> >
> > Ah, might you say, did that guy "earn" that right by getting on a
> > list?  So,
> > simply by virtue of waiting a few years, I've *earned* the right to
> > the $50k
> > profit, instead of the dealer?
>
> Ive known guys on the list for 4 years just to be bumped off for no
> reason, so the dealer could give it to a friend who could sell it
> back to them so that they could resale it...
>
> I have no problem with a list, that is fair
> >
> > Please.  Stop the hypocrisy.  When we have an asset to sell,
> > whether it's a
> > car, a house, a guitar, an electric toothbrush, we want to obtain the
> > maximum price that people will pay.  Whether we sell it at auction
> > or not,
> > if we have multiple parties that want to buy it, we'll sell it to
> > the one
> > that will pay the most money (and don't kid yourself otherwise).
>
> I agree but there is a limit to a reasonable profit in a "civilized
> society". before the banking industry was deregulated (which I think
> was wrong and which hopefully will change soon!) interest rates like
> the credit card companies are charging would land you in jail
> >
> > Tom, if you were selling your house, listed it for $500k, and you
> > woke up
> > and had five guys lined up outside your door that wanted to buy, do
> > you take
> > $500k to the guy who happened to be first in line, or do you entertain
> > offers from all give guys?
>
> They never said that you could buy it at any cost, they said you
> would probably not be able to get one, again why does Ferrari NA have
> a lsited price, and why do they make dealers stick to it, and
> why doesnt Ferrari charge what the market would seem to bear, if
> that is unlimited?
>
> It is the same reason WALMART sucks and Eron ripped off "grandmas" in
> Califorina and Haliburton got a no bid contract, and the reason that
> we here in CA are paying .50 more per gallon for gas than most other
> states, even though we are one of the top oil producers......
>
> Because greedy people will rip people off whenever they can if there
> is no law, or societal restraints that prevents them. Enzo Ferrari
> would be rolling in his grave!
>
> I guess am just tired of being ripped off and lied to. At least they
> were being honest about being dishonest.
>
> I have to agree with Clyde on this one
>
> Rob
> rant off, back to lurk mode :=)
>
>
>
> >
> > So why the heck is that different from the Ferrari dealer?
> >
> > Vty,
> >
> > --Dennis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:kjtar [at] cox.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:58 PM
> > To: Dennis Liu
> > Cc: The FerrariList
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver
> >
> > Well, you know Rob, it's just the usual elitist snobbery.  I mean,
> > I guess
> > there's a place for that (FoDenver, apparently) but it's just too
> > bad people
> > have to be that petty.
> > Sympathetically,
> > Tom in Tulsa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert W. Garven Jr." <rgarven [at] gmail.com>
> > To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check out the FAQs from Ferrari of Denver
> >
> >
> >> What they should say is:
> >>
> >> We are too greedy to sell you a new Ferrari so we will sell it to our
> >> best friend then he will sell it back to us and we will then sell you
> >> a used ferrari for $50,000 over MSRP.
> >>
> >> I think they sound like every Ferrari dealer is expected and frankly
> >> very sad....... I wouldn't buy a sticker from them...
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Dennis Liu wrote:
> >>
> >>> Awesome, just awesome Frequently Asked Questions section on the
> >>> Ferrari of
> >>> Denver website.  Just the right amount of obnoxiousness, mixed in
> >>> with a
> >>> whole lot of truth.  Bravo.
> >>>
> >>> vty,
> >>>
> >>> --Dennis
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ferrariofdenver.com/faq.cfm
> >>>
> >>> FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Q. What's better? Leasing or buying, or cash?
> >>> A. No simple answer, especially on high dollar purchases. Cash: ok,
> >>> but it
> >>> warrants NO discounts for the purchase ... cash has no advantage.
> >>> Leases &
> >>> Loans turn into immediate cash, so at the end of the day it's cash
> >>> anyhow.
> >>> At most dealerships, offering cash lessens profits, don't do the
> >>> old "how
> >>> much if I pay cash" routine, that actually works to your
> >>> disadvantage.
> >>> Wiring bank to bank money transfers (nationally & internationally)
> >>> are the
> >>> only way to quickly and expediently transfer large sums to us.
> >>> Finance: we
> >>> can arrange any term financing (24-60 months is very common), even
> >>> with zero
> >>> dollars down if your credit & income is strong enough. Competitive
> >>> finance
> >>> rates come from Bentley Financial Services, Maserati Financial
> >>> Services and
> >>> JP Morgan Chase, plus others. We can even arrange financing for any
> >>> make,
> >>> model or year car that we sell. You'll need depth (equally high
> >>> dollar
> >>> amount loans in the past), a good credit score & healthy income.
> >>> p.s. We
> >>> have no way of obtaining financing for marginal credit. Leasing:
> >>> How is it
> >>> different from financing? In its simplest terms: You're paying the
> >>> depreciation & interest monthly, and accounting for the disposition
> >>> of the
> >>> car (turning it in at the end) in advance. If you need tax
> >>> advantages as a
> >>> business or sole proprietor, leasing wins. Depreciation plus
> >>> interest makes
> >>> leasing tax deductable for most business applications (see your
> >>> CPA). Luxury
> >>> automobiles are the most logical to lease, and there is virtually
> >>> no upper
> >>> limit to eligible cost. Leasing also takes some of the sting out of
> >>> sales
> >>> taxes by taxing the monthly payment, not the entire purchase amount
> >>> (don't
> >>> confuse this with ownership taxes & fees for lic. plates, which you
> >>> still
> >>> have to pay). Conventional closed end leases (80% of our lease
> >>> business) and
> >>> several variations of open end leases (sometimes called simple
> >>> interest
> >>> leases) are available. Call for details on the difference, it can
> >>> be a big
> >>> surprise. Yes, leasing delivers the most car for your monthly
> >>> expenditure.
> >>> But... leasing is a commitment that is inflexible & therefore
> >>> costly to get
> >>> out of. Once you lease, it's yours till the end, or bring lots of
> >>> money to
> >>> pay off your remaining contractal obligation... that's pretty
> >>> simple; but no
> >>> one seems to get it. Principal is amortized slowly on a lease
> >>> because the
> >>> debt is never designed to go to zero; no one seems to understand
> >>> that
> >>> either. You cannot easily trade in your leased car, because lease
> >>> debt is
> >>> structured completely different from a loan. But at the end of
> >>> every closed
> >>> end (conventional) lease, you turn in the old car & get a new one;
> >>> it's
> >>> painless and becomes the primary logic for leasing in the first
> >>> place: easy
> >>> and quick, always drive a new car. Leasing usually requires a
> >>> higher credit
> >>> score than most purchases. Tie your lease to your own trading
> >>> patterns &
> >>> mileage; If you normally trade after 18 months, don't put yourself
> >>> into a
> >>> 5-year lease (yet people still do that every day too). Credit
> >>> challenged a
> >>> bit? We've even found a special leasing option for you, but still
> >>> requires
> >>> high documented income. Now, if you keep your car forever, don't
> >>> lease...conventional financing or cash is best. And we discourage
> >>> those 120
> >>> month finance plans for all the obvious reasons; if you need the
> >>> lower
> >>> payment that bad, perhaps you're stretched a bit too thin already &
> >>> should
> >>> lower your sights. We can tailor almost any plan to your situation.
> >>> And the
> >>> answer to the most frequent finance question of all? No, you can't
> >>> put the
> >>> car on your credit card.... cards typically pay merchants with 96
> >>> cent
> >>> dollars, & we won't do that for anyone.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Is this the only franchised new car dealership for Ferrari,
> >>> Maserati,
> >>> Bentley and Lotus in Colorado? I see advertising from others that
> >>> claim they
> >>> are.
> >>> A. Yes. There is NO other franchised Ferrari, Maserati, Bentley or
> >>> Lotus new
> >>> car dealership in Colorado, And yes, we're aware that there are
> >>> folks out
> >>> there claiming to be. Wierd, huh?
> >>>
> >>> Q. Should I buy new or pre-owned?
> >>> A. Depends on many factors..... Availability, price, condition, and
> >>> quality.
> >>> As an example, availability dictates that you're not geting a new
> >>> Ferrari.
> >>> However, Bentley, Maserati & Lotus cars are available in limited
> >>> numbers as
> >>> both new and pre-owned. Consider that advantages of factory
> >>> Certified
> >>> Pre-Owned (CPO) available exclusively from franchised dealerships:
> >>> With CPO
> >>> extended warranties within our four franchised brands, it would
> >>> seem almost
> >>> foolish to overlook that huge benefit. Warranty like a new car, but
> >>> for less
> >>> $$ over all. Financing on CPO cars pretty much mirrors new car
> >>> rates, so the
> >>> savings often make the decision for you.
> >>>
> >>> Q. I bought a used Ferrari/Maserati/Bentley/Lotus somewhere else.
> >>> Can you
> >>> put a Certified Pre-Owned Warranty on this?
> >>> A. Of course not. NO manufacturer will certify any car that their
> >>> franchised
> >>> dealership did not sell, has not owned, and inspected & serviced &
> >>> brought
> >>> up to date in every aspect of its reconditioning. We believe in the
> >>> benefits
> >>> of the factory extended warranty. And the CPO warranty on any
> >>> brand is
> >>> always available exclusively from that franchised dealership, and
> >>> never an
> >>> independent. We can't put a CPO warranty on a Jaguar, and a Jaguar
> >>> dealership can't put CPO on a Bentley.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Is it true that I cannot order a new Ferrari?
> >>> A. Yes. And while that might sound a bit rude, it is really a simple
> >>> equation of supply and demand. Do you really think we'd turn away
> >>> perfectly
> >>> good revenue? In a perfect world, we could get all the new Ferraris
> >>> that we
> >>> could sell (like the Ford or Chevy dealer can). But we can't. New
> >>> Ferrari
> >>> cars are limited. Under 5000 each year for the entire planet. At
> >>> all the USA
> >>> franchised Fererari dealerships, the 430s & 599s are pre-sold &
> >>> back ordered
> >>> many years in advance. So... Rather than let our back-order
> >>> situation just
> >>> get worse, we had to fix the problem. But it's not just Ferrari of
> >>> Denver.
> >>> All the franchised Ferrari dealers are sold-out years into the
> >>> future. Check
> >>> around, it's true. We're delivering Ferrari cars in 2007 that were
> >>> ordered
> >>> in 2001-2 (no kidding). Ferrari of Denver no longer accepts orders
> >>> on new
> >>> Ferrari because the demand side of that equation got too big and
> >>> the supply
> >>> side stayed the same. Now, think what that does in the marketplace
> >>> for value
> >>> of ANY Ferrari. For Ferrari cars available now, focus on the
> >>> trade-in
> >>> Ferraris on the inventory page.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I order a new Bentley?
> >>> A. Yes, But it might not be necessary. We have a pretty fair
> >>> selection of
> >>> Continental-series Bentley. In most cases.... Bentley build-
> >>> positions are
> >>> available in VERY limited numbers, and we will build a Bentley for
> >>> you with
> >>> a non refundable cash deposit. Azure and Arnage probably cannot be
> >>> ordered,
> >>> as the pipeline between order date and delivery date is 8-12
> >>> months; these
> >>> are still handbuilt by skilled artisans. Continental Convertible is
> >>> mostly
> >>> sold out, Flying Spur is mostly out of production (for the time
> >>> being) but
> >>> the inventory is fairly good nationwide, and the GT is becoming
> >>> quite rare
> >>> to find a production slot. And note: we can not retail into another
> >>> Bentley
> >>> retailer's state.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I order a new Maserati?
> >>> A. Yes. But again, it might not be necessary. The new Quattroporte
> >>> Automatic
> >>> is available now in limited numbers, and a special order at this
> >>> time will
> >>> probably take 6 months. The coupe and convertible are currently not
> >>> being
> >>> produced, but we stock a fair number of Certified Pre-Owned
> >>> 2002-2006 at any
> >>> given time.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I order a new Lotus?
> >>> A. Not for 2007. The production numbers will be too small
> >>> nationwide. You're
> >>> buying from inventory, and remember that we can (probably) get you
> >>> any color
> >>> you might want from any of our associate Lotus dealers across the
> >>> country.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can we just stop by the showroom and look and maybe take a
> >>> picture or
> >>> two?
> >>> A. Yes, please be our guest. We welcome folks from all over the
> >>> country that
> >>> just stop in to look and maybe shoot the breeze for awhile.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I have some new car brochures?
> >>> A. No longer. With the internet, our four franchised manufacturers
> >>> have gone
> >>> to virtual information, all of which can be printed from their
> >>> websites.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I come test drive a Ferrari?
> >>> A. No.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How about a Bentley?
> >>> A. Probably not.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Ok, how about a Lotus?
> >>> A. Probably not.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How about a Maserati?
> >>> A. Probably not.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Why can't I come drive your cars? Every other dealership will
> >>> let us
> >>> drive.
> >>> A. Here's our company philosophy: Isn't it nice to know that when
> >>> you
> >>> purchase a Ferrari or Bentley or Maserati or Lotus from Ferrari of
> >>> Denver
> >>> that it hasn't been loaned out to every wacko who walks thru the
> >>> door?
> >>> Here's what we know: Drivers aren't buyers and buyers aren't
> >>> drivers....
> >>> it's THE oldest rule in exotic car sales, and it is 100% accurate.
> >>> Real
> >>> buyers simply don't even ask. We aren't the local amusement park,
> >>> and this
> >>> isn't the local Ford dealership. As a business, we won't risk a
> >>> valuable
> >>> automobile for your amusement. There's no shortage of folks who
> >>> would love
> >>> to spend their day entertaining themselves at our expense, playing
> >>> Ferrari/Bentley/etc buyer. And yes, really, we really do sell these
> >>> cars
> >>> without a test-drive or demo-drive.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How many cars does Ferrari of Denver sell in a year.
> >>> A. Average 365: all four franchises, excludes wholesale cars that
> >>> we do not
> >>> keep. About the same as a larger domestic dealership sells in a
> >>> month.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How do I get one of those wholesale cars?
> >>> A. You can't. We wholesale within a very limited group of franchised
> >>> dealers. But.... look on E-BAY for our non-franchised cars &
> >>> selected
> >>> specials. Usually a good selection of diverse cars that are
> >>> available for
> >>> bid, plus you can come view them at the dealership in person. We
> >>> have a 100%
> >>> positive rating with past E-bay buyers. Doesn't get much better.
> >>>
> >>> Q. I want to sell advertising to Ferrari of Denver. Who do I
> >>> contact?
> >>> A. Mostly, we are linked to several philanthropic & charitable
> >>> organizations
> >>> and client-based relationships. We advertise very little, and most
> >>> of what
> >>> you do see costs us nothing. New advertising venues will not be
> >>> considered.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I call you guys and ask for free advice?
> >>> A. Yes, as long as you remember that it's worth what it costs.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How does one join that exclusive group of Ferrari owners, if
> >>> there are no
> >>> new cars available for sale?
> >>> A. Most of Ferrari's clientele is well-established and has been
> >>> so for
> >>> decades. That opportunity is long passed. 99.9% of first time
> >>> Ferrari buyers
> >>> start with a pre-owned Ferrari. Keep within your budget, and buy
> >>> the best
> >>> car that you can afford; not the worst, and certainly not the
> >>> cheapest, then
> >>> trade up. Provenance (history/documentation)is everything. Buy
> >>> from a
> >>> franchised Ferrari dealership, even if it isn't us. ONLY Ferrari
> >>> dealerships
> >>> can get you Ceretified Pre Owned Ferrari Factory extended
> >>> warranties. Your
> >>> Ferrari will be worth more in the future with good Ferrari history.
> >>> Also
> >>> consider having the Ferrari factory CERTIFY your prize 25 year old
> >>> or older
> >>> Ferrari. Fairly inexpensive, and multiplies the value. We can
> >>> arrange that
> >>> for you.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Should I take my Ferrari to an independent for service and
> >>> repairs?
> >>> A. That's completely up to you. But, for newer Ferrari models,
> >>> absolutley
> >>> not. No independent has the factory's support and warranties (even
> >>> though
> >>> they will tell you different). Our very own Bill Evandon is ONE of
> >>> only NINE
> >>> Ferrari Factory certified Master Technicians in the USA, right
> >>> here at
> >>> Ferrari of Denver (the other 8 are also within the franchised
> >>> Ferrari
> >>> community). That's a tough act to follow. Plus you'll also get
> >>> Ferrari-backed nationwide warranty on almost all service and
> >>> repairs. Again,
> >>> no indy can claim that. For your prized Ferrari's future value, it's
> >>> certainly easier to explain franchised Ferrari dealership service
> >>> documentation; it spends well when you go to sell. Buyers like
> >>> seeing that
> >>> you can actually care for the Ferrari properly. If you need it done
> >>> cheap
> >>> and probably half-wrong, go for it. We're still here to help you
> >>> do it
> >>> right, later.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Is Alfa Romeo coming back to the USA?
> >>> A. Yes, perhaps as early as 2008. But the brand won't be the
> >>> $10,000 Spider
> >>> we used to sell in the late 70s & early 80s.
> >>>
> >>> Q. I have a Ferrari. My friends have been invited to your private
> >>> track
> >>> events in the past, how do I get an invitation?
> >>> A. If your Ferrari is from somewhere else (we didn't sell it)
> >>> you're still
> >>> on the outside looking in. Sorry.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can you arrange a factory tour at Ferrari?
> >>> A. Yes, with a copy of your Ferrari registration or title.
> >>> Ferrari is
> >>> pleased to have owners visit the factory and take the tour, but
> >>> reservations
> >>> are absolutley required. Contact us for details & limitations. Not
> >>> a Ferrari
> >>> owner? Sorry, no tour because they simply don't have the staff.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I visit the Bentley Factory at Crewe England?
> >>> A. Yes, and you don't need to be an owner of a Bentley. By
> >>> reservation only,
> >>> and we will arrange it for you. Amazing day at Crewe awaits.
> >>>
> >>> Q. I want an Enzo or F40 or F50. How do I go about getting you to
> >>> find one
> >>> for me.
> >>> A. Like any of our endeavors, we start with the Jerry Maguire (show
> >>> me the
> >>> money). On the specialty high dollar cars, we'll not accept the
> >>> assignment
> >>> on a casual basis; instead requiring a contract be established
> >>> first.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How many of your cars have their pictures "stolen" for Myspace?
> >>> A. We looked it up, and last month that occurred 176 times.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Can I consign my Ferrari/Maserati/Bentley/Lotus with you for
> >>> sale?
> >>> A. No. We own our inventory. But, There are lots of places in town
> >>> who can't
> >>> afford to own these cars; we're sure they'll take your car on
> >>> consignment.
> >>> They're easy to find.... the ones that claim they are real Ferrari
> >>> dealer
> >>> too. And good luck with that.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How many cars does Ferrari bring to the USA each year? What
> >>> about other
> >>> high end makes? What makes Ferrari THE pinnacle collector car?
> >>> A. About 1200 new Ferrari are produced for America each year. 100 a
> >>> month or
> >>> so, That's not very many. GM makes that many cars in about 6
> >>> minutes. With
> >>> Ferrari's Formula 1 dominance and 60 years of racing history,
> >>> nothing can
> >>> compare with Ferrari's ongoing excitement and desirability. Ferrari
> >>> factory
> >>> is working 100% to fill worldwide demand. But, Ferrari cannot clone
> >>> skilled
> >>> artisans to produce more. So... you can get a new Lambo right now.
> >>> Good car.
> >>> Or a new Porsche: also a good car, but one of maybe 50,000 for
> >>> America this
> >>> year. It really becomes this simple equation: supply and demand.
> >>> Which one's
> >>> the best investment? The prancing horse of course.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Is it true that 85% of your sales go to existing and repeat
> >>> clientele?
> >>> Why is that?
> >>> A. Maybe it's because our customer support is unparalleled. Maybe
> >>> it is Bill
> >>> Stewart's efforts to establish this dealership as the leader in
> >>> Colorado.
> >>> Maybe it's the 35 years of continuous operation in Denver. Maybe
> >>> it's as
> >>> simple as supply and demand and great clients who can understand and
> >>> appreciate that this enterprise isn't a passing fancy. Compare us
> >>> with all
> >>> the short term undercapitalized imitators with 2-3 years under
> >>> their belt.
> >>> Our investment in our personnel's ongoing training and
> >>> infrastructure, the
> >>> costs associated with the building and the inventory and the
> >>> growth..... not
> >>> cheap, not easy and not easily imitated. Mostly, it's our faithful
> >>> and loyal
> >>> clients and friends who continue their patronage year after year.
> >>>
> >>> Q. Do you rent out your cars?
> >>> A. No, but it's a common question. No one in Colordo rents exotic
> >>> cars. The
> >>> closest location for exotic automobile rentals (Ferrari & Bentley
> >>> and such)
> >>> is actually Budget of Beverly Hills. Be prepared for expensive
> >>> daily rates
> >>> and huge debit on your card for a damage deposit; but they will
> >>> rent you
> >>> almost anything you can afford, it just won't be cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Q. How accurate is CARFAX and all those online vehicle history
> >>> checks that
> >>> one can do?
> >>> A. Mostly, they're pretty good. But as you can imagine, mistakes on
> >>> $100,000
> >>> and $200,000 cars can be significant. CARFAX is the largest, plus
> >>> lots of
> >>> sites you've never heard of.... titleguard, edmunds, autocheck,
> >>> cardetective, and several others you can find with a google search.
> >>> Of the
> >>> group, titleguard is the worst; their accuracy is nil, they charge
> >>> the most,
> >>> and refuse to make corrections. Edmunds isn't much better, and
> >>> sadly both
> >>> sites have proven unresponsive to documentable corrections. For all
> >>> the
> >>> sites, errors are usually attributed to clerical issues on 17 digit
> >>> VINs and
> >>> 6 digit odometers. The state & smog-check agencies that report data
> >>> are the
> >>> worst; have you checked your annual emission report for accuracy?
> >>> Right here
> >>> at home, Air Care Colorado is erroneous on about 20% of their
> >>> reporting,
> >>> reading trip odometers and misreading regular ones. Recently, on a
> >>> 2002
> >>> Arnage we wanted to research prior to trading for it, carfax
> >>> reported that a
> >>> 16000 mile California car became 133000 mile car in one month. After
> >>> "exhaustive" investigation, they concluded it wasn't probable to
> >>> drive 163
> >>> mph for 720 hours straight, and corrected it (I still have the old
> >>> one for
> >>> illustration). Also, high dollar cars often escape insurance
> >>> payouts for
> >>> minor accidents, so carfax cannot discover those repairs. Accident
> >>> report
> >>> document numbers are, by their own admission, bogus. They'll get
> >>> the state
> >>> and maybe the city right, not the report number. CARFAX made huge
> >>> strides
> >>> after Katrina to accurately identify flood cars, and they are to be
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> >>> A. Count on it.
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