Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Question on Mondial 3.2 electrics problem

[Dave Handa (dave]

Dust may be partly responsible, but seems they do it even with relatively
new solenoids too.  Heat seems to be the major contributor.



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Stark [mailto:MStark [at] Copper.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:32 AM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Question on Mondial 3.2 electrics problem

Solenoid it is.  Failure mode is clutch dust buildup on pinion shaft 
causes solenoid to weaken then fail when heat soaked.  Been there, done it
'87 TR

Steve Jenkins wrote:

>Sounds a lot like the hot-start issue on the TRs. If so, then it's the
>solenoid being heat soaked.
>
>Bypass the solenoid with a hotwire switch, and when this happens, you can
>turn the key on, then hotwire the car in the engine bay. I've wired a
switch
>in my 512TR to make it easy.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Britt2Asa [at] aol.com [mailto:Britt2Asa [at] aol.com] 
>Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:21 AM
>To: Steve Jenkins
>Cc: The FerrariList
>Subject: [Ferrari] Question on Mondial 3.2 electrics problem
>
>
>I am travelling with a friend to Silverstone in his 3.2 Mondial cab. After
>an 
>hour of fast motorway travel we stop for a coffee. 10 minute stop and his
>car 
>will not start. After sitting for 50 minutes it starts right up.
>
>This is not a knew problem but he cannot seem to fix it. When it is hot it 
>will not crank. It will push start immediately though.
>
>Starter was rebuilt last month (thought to be the problem but obviously
>isnt)
>
>Only happens when HOT, not when driving for 15 minutes around town. It has
>to 
>be a fast run. After sitting for 50 min or so (cooling down?) it will
crank.
>
>I could feel and here both fuel pump relays and the starter relay 
>throwing/clicking when he turned the key. All the lights came on to the
dash
>(though the 
>cooling fans didnt fire up, not sure if this is important or not). You turn

>the key and just get nothing. No "click" from the starter that I could here
>but 
>as I said the relays under the front bonnet were all clicking away.
>
>Anybody got any idea what else to check/replace? I would like to help him 
>out. Where else in the Mondials wiring would heat soak cause a problem?
>
>Many thanks
>Britt
>
>BR in the UK
>1986 328GTS (LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury UK
>1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
>Searching for the right 512TR
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