Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari's & Porsches to be banned in Europe soon

[Alfaowner (alfaowner]

Dennis is right.

I lived near NYC most of my life.  I remember days when the sky was grey and
there were no clouds.  I also remember the first time I flew into LA.  The
air was yellow.  Over the years both cities have improved a LOT.  Another
city that is situated like LA between the sea & the mountains is Athens,
Greece.  Air pollution almost as bad as LA at its worst.  There they
resorted to alternate day driving.  If your license tag ended in an odd
number, that's the day you could drive into Athens, etc.  Never had any
friends or relatives get speeding tickets.  But, some were ticketed for
driving on the wrong day.

BTW, I love driving in Greece.  Great sportscar roads.  Few cops.  Courteous
drivers (at least toward overtaking cars).  Great ouzo, scenery, food &
beaches.

Norm

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Liu [mailto:bigheaddennis [at] gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:45 PM
To: Norm
Cc: 'The FerrariList'
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's & Porsches to be banned
in Europe soon


Yeah, the pollution is astounding in much of China (and the developing
world).  You won't notice it during the Olympics next year because the
communists will have banned operation of vehicles and industries around
Bejing next year to make sure the air looks nice and clean.

BUT, it should be pointed out, for those of us old enough to remember (and I
can't believe that Doug of all people didn't make this point), in the US,
back in the bad 70s, the pollution in NYC and LA was just as bad.  So if the
adoption of pollution controls cleaned up US air in, say, 30 years, consider
that the Chinese effectively squeezed 50+ years of growth into 15, so there
is no reason that it too can't have clean air in, say, a decade after the
government decides that clean air is a priority.

Vty,

--Dennis
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:25 PM
To: Dennis Liu
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's & Porsches to be banned in Europe soon

My friend - (no names in case of reprisal) just got home from driving the 
Peking to Paris rally.  He was telling me today that if the US got down to 
zero emissions - we wouldn't make a bit of difference compared to what China

is putting into the air everyday.  There were days when he couldn't see the 
building across the street.  Now THATs smog.

We have/had some Listers that live in China - if any are allowed to read 
this - any comment?  If you can?

DOUG
PS - It was also interesting traveling through Russia - note - take a lot of

folding money to avoid arrests for, uh, looking cross-eyed, spiting on 
sidewalks, just being there - - -





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alfaowner" <alfaowner [at] sprynet.com>
To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari's & Porsches to be banned in Europe soon


> Rick:
>
> Can you be serious?  "I think it is blatantly obvious that a few 
> exotic sports cars create more pollution than do tens-of-millions of 
> Hondas, Toyotas and Renaults!  They are also much more guilty than are 
> power plants and factories."  No, you can't be.
>
> Let's see - a few cars that are only driven a few hundred or at most a 
> few thousand miles/kilometers a year versus "tens-of-millions" of 
> little struggling cars that are driven an average  (in the US) of 
> 12,000 miles a year.  If all cars have to meet emissions regs of their 
> respective countries, you are still talking about an equation that is 
> so far out of balance it's ridiculous.
>
> In the first 3 months of 2007 Ferrari sold 396 cars in the US, Aston 
> 438, Maserati 526, Lamborghini 246, Porsche 5,588.  That's a total of 
> 7,194. That compares with 194,550 Hondas & total US car sales of 
> 1,861,459.  So, the "pollution-creating" exotics (Is Porsche really an 
> exotic?) that comprise 39/100ths of one percent of US sales are going 
> to create more pollution than will "...tens-of-millions of Hondas, 
> Toyotas and Renaults! " Please Rick or someone give us a scenario in 
> which it might be even remotely
> possible.
>
> AS for the power plants & factories...
>
> And, BTW, if anyone doesn't believe that we are experiencing global
> warming,
> ignore the possibility & just think about the exponential increase in skin
> cancers in recent years.  Could it be caused by the depleting ozone layer 
> or
> just too many exotics on the road?
>
> Norm Sippel
>
> Ferrari seats in my Alfa Spider
>
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