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From: "ethan tyui" <ferraries180 [at] hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:46:02 
To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 13, Issue 27

Stop sending me things like the vol and issue

thx

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>Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 13, Issue 27
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:47:13 -0700
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>    1. SPOILER Re:  I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! (LS)
>    2. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually  drive   my      car
>       too!--Shame, shame (Larry B)
>    3. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson)
>    4. Seems we're into Pristine (Robert Rehkopf)
>    5. Re: Spark plug reading? (Peter Pless)
>    6. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (clyde)
>    7. Re: Spark plug reading? (jimshadow [at] verizon.net)
>    8. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson)
>    9. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually  drivemy car
>       too!--Shame, shame (Steve Jenkins)
>   10. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actuallydrivemy   car
>       too!--Shame, shame (Dennis Liu)
>   11. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (jimshadow [at] verizon.net)
>   12. Re: Spark plug reading? (Rick Lindsay)
>   13. "When did we start worrying about resale value"
>       (philville dejazzd.com)
>   14. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I   actually        drivemy
>       cartoo!--Shame, shame (jimshadow [at] verizon.net)
>   15. Re: I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! (philville dejazzd.com)
>   16. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (Doug and Terri Anderson)
>   17. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
>From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Ferrari] SPOILER Re:  I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town!
>To: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
>Cc: Cameron Rentiers <campete [at] hotmail.com>,       The FerrariList
>       <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <787400.88552.qm [at] web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>I only watched the last two laps and it was pretty entertaining. Funny to 
>see Gordon fold while in the lead...and that crash wasn't Montoya's fault 
>from what I saw.
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
>To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>Cc: Cameron Rentiers <campete [at] hotmail.com>; The FerrariList 
><ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:05:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town!
>
>
>Not as boring as F1 and it was at a better time of the day for me...
>
>On 8/12/07, rentiers [at] mac.com <rentiers [at] mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > Big Juan Pablo Punchout! Flyin' Fists O' Justice at Watkins Glen. You
> > gotta love NASCAR!
> >
> > KEN
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:44:41 -0400
>From: Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually
>       drive   my      car too!--Shame, shame
>To: Ferrarilist <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <BLU102-W159ABA66A7243BB90D379AAEDE0 [at] phx.gbl>
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>
>And if (as in my case), it turns out you don't go for overnight excursions 
>in the car, you also don'ta need luggage.  For a variety of reasons -- 
>mostly available time -- the only occasions on which I have gone somewhere 
>overnight the last few years I have either travelled by air, gone to track 
>events (where I've tracked a different car -- sorry), or visited New York 
>Ciry (where I think it's crazy to take the car.  So the luggage remains, 
>waiting, in the closet.  Sure, I probably need to get more of a life and 
>drive off for at least a weekend locally.
>
>Larry> From: rentiers [at] mac.com> > I agree with Bob!> > Ifa you don't stop, 
>you don'ta need luggage.> > Second Rule of Italian Driving> > > On Aug 14, 
>2007, at 10:49 PM, robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com wrote:> > > Hey...I'm an 
>oldfart Ferrarilister, and I drive my old shitbox 308 > > all the time (3-4 
>times a week). I don't need no stinkin' fancy > > luggage...although I'd 
>love to have some to scuff up! >> >> > -- "Robert Rehkopf" 
><CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> wrote:> > What's wrong with you guys? The 
>Ferrarilisters of old are noted for > > driving> > their cars, using the 
>Ferrari stuff, etc. It's just stuff after > > all. Shame,> > shame on you 
>guys for hiding stuff in closets and wrapping stuff in > > plastic> > bags. 
>Hell you only live once. Buy it and use it! I use mine > > luggage and I> > 
>like it!> > When did we start worrying about resale value, etc and stop > > 
>worrying about> > how we can make our cars go faster around the track? 
>We're starting > > to sound> > like non-drives and proud that we only but 
>300 miles last year on > > our cars.> > Shame, shame.> > Thank You> >> > 
>Robert Rehkopf
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:10:59 -0700
>From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <007f01c7df3d$d8483b40$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886>
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>       reply-type=original
>
>Hello Peter - looks good to me.  It is the insulator that we look at to see
>what's going on.  The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled,
>then shut down.  Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid
>was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may
>have a problem.  Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use
>going from good to bad to ugly.  The worst one?  No insulator left - just a
>gnarled mass due to detonation.
>DOUG
>ps - nice picture - good close up detail.  What type of camera?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM
>Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
> > Does anyone know what this means?
> >
> > http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
> >
> > It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> > unleaded fuel.
> >
> > Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
> >
> > When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> > last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty  of idle speed stuff.
> >
> > What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 
>miles....and
> > I've been nursing it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Peter
> >
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33 -0500
>From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
>Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>To: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV7C7F8284FAB1597ECCD84AEDE0 [at] phx.gbl>
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>I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're 
>not
>going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' 
>ie
>those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
>Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
>shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
>Thank You
>
>Robert Rehkopf
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:51 +1000
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <20070815131742.JIB3248.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com [at] desktop>
>Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="us-ascii"
>
>Thanks Doug.
>
>That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could
>find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine
>rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, really
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM
>To: Peter Pless
>Cc: 'The FerrariList'
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>Hello Peter - looks good to me.  It is the insulator that we look at to see
>what's going on.  The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled,
>then shut down.  Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid
>was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may
>have a problem.  Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use
>going from good to bad to ugly.  The worst one?  No insulator left - just a
>gnarled mass due to detonation.
>DOUG
>ps - nice picture - good close up detail.  What type of camera?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM
>Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
> > Does anyone know what this means?
> >
> > http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
> >
> > It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> > unleaded fuel.
> >
> > Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
> >
> > When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> > last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty  of idle speed stuff.
> >
> > What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 
>miles....and
> > I've been nursing it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Peter
> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:43 +0000 GMT
>From: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>To: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>,       "Home"
>       <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID:
>       <193878257-1187184044-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-26968- [at] 
> engine09-cell02>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>Most guys have Zymol Diesase from washing and waxing there car
>They are like women have fun with them or some one else will!
>
>Clyde 512 TR with 82k plus
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33
>To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>
>I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're 
>not
>going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' 
>ie
>those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
>Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
>shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
>Thank You
>
>Robert Rehkopf
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:28:49 +0000
>From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID:
>       
> <617524814-1187184149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1945305714- 
> [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Peter,
>That's funny!!!   Why the hell did I spend all this $ on a damn digital 
>SLR???????
>LOL!
>
>Jim
>Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:51
>To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
>Cc:'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
>Thanks Doug.
>
>That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could
>find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine
>rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, really
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM
>To: Peter Pless
>Cc: 'The FerrariList'
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>Hello Peter - looks good to me.  It is the insulator that we look at to see
>what's going on.  The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled,
>then shut down.  Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid
>was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may
>have a problem.  Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use
>going from good to bad to ugly.  The worst one?  No insulator left - just a
>gnarled mass due to detonation.
>DOUG
>ps - nice picture - good close up detail.  What type of camera?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM
>Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
> > Does anyone know what this means?
> >
> > http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
> >
> > It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> > unleaded fuel.
> >
> > Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
> >
> > When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> > last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty  of idle speed stuff.
> >
> > What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 
>miles....and
> > I've been nursing it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Peter
> >
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:26:06 -0700
>From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <00cd01c7df3f$d8199f40$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=original
>
>Well then Peter - no question about it - its the photographer.  heh heh
>DOUG
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
> > Thanks Doug.
> >
> > That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could
> > find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine
> > rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, 
>really
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM
> > To: Peter Pless
> > Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> >
> > Hello Peter - looks good to me.  It is the insulator that we look at to
> > see
> > what's going on.  The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about,
> > idled,
> > then shut down.  Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven 
>forbid
> > was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you
> > may
> > have a problem.  Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use
> > going from good to bad to ugly.  The worst one?  No insulator left - 
>just
> > a
> > gnarled mass due to detonation.
> > DOUG
> > ps - nice picture - good close up detail.  What type of camera?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
> > To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM
> > Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> >
> >
> >> Does anyone know what this means?
> >>
> >> http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
> >>
> >> It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> >> unleaded fuel.
> >>
> >> Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
> >>
> >> When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but 
>the
> >> last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty  of idle speed stuff.
> >>
> >> What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 
>miles....and
> >> I've been nursing it.
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit:
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:13 -0700
>From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually
>       drivemy car too!--Shame, shame
>To: "'ken rentiers'" <rentiers [at] mac.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <000001c7df41$88c8d580$0202fea9 [at] maple.jenkins.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="iso-8859-1"
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>The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
>
>And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
>
>Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I
>can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
>
>Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
>
>SteveJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM
>To: Steve Jenkins
>Cc: The FerrariList
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy
>car too!--Shame, shame
>
>I agree with Bob!
>
>       Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
>
>       Second Rule of Italian Driving
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:35:04 -0400
>From: Dennis Liu <bigheaddennis [at] gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I
>       actuallydrivemy car     too!--Shame, shame
>To: "'Steve Jenkins'" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <DFC9E3D726BA4B008265B1586E87955E [at] DennisThinkpad>
>Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Just go ahead and pass them on the on-ramp - they already think you're a
>dick....
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve [at] stevejenkins.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:38 AM
>To: Dennis Liu
>Cc: The FerrariList
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actuallydrivemy 
>car
>too!--Shame, shame
>
>The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
>
>And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
>
>Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I
>can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
>
>Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
>
>SteveJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM
>To: Steve Jenkins
>Cc: The FerrariList
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy
>car too!--Shame, shame
>
>I agree with Bob!
>
>       Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
>
>       Second Rule of Italian Driving
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:41:57 +0000
>From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>To: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID:
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> <1119019042-1187184937-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-281380959- 
> [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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>I bought my GT4 in April to drive!  I put 2,000miles on it before some kid 
>hit me.  Its been in the shop coming up on 2 months now.....ill try my 
>damndest to make up those miles before the snow flies here in Indiana!  :)
>
>That being said, I do see why guys like Rob Garven and a couple others 
>maintain their cars at the level they do. They have pristine examples that 
>do get driven and shown, but to buy an average Fcar and not drive it just 
>because its a Ferrari is ridiculous!  These are cars people, go get coo coo 
>for coo coo puffs and drive them like you stole 'em!  (oh yeah, I stole 
>that!!!)
>
>Jim
>
>Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33
>To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
>Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>
>
>I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're 
>not
>going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' 
>ie
>those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
>Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
>shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
>Thank You
>
>Robert Rehkopf
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>To: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <209890.14828.qm [at] web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hey Peter,
>    Everyone and his brother will have opinions on this
>issue but I'll add mine.
>
>    First of all, a plug-cut should only be done (read:
>only be interpreted) from plugs that have not been
>subjected to recent idle.  That is, the technique
>says: Go for a spirited drive and at the last second
>of that drive, cut the engine WITHOUT allowing it to
>idle - not even rolling into the garage.  The carbon
>build-up comes from idleing and that can preclude an
>honest read of the plug.  This site has a good
>write-up on the idea:
>
>http://www.centuryperformance.com/spark.asp
>
>    Don't forget to go to page 2 where there are more
>pictures.
>
>    Your picture shows an insulator that is about the
>right color, perhaps a little too cool (read: it isn't
>staying hot enough to burn off deposits).  The ground
>electrode color isn't too bad either.  Still, I would
>expect the whole thing to be a dusty tan color if
>everything was balanced properly.  The black carbon
>around the base of the plug is not too much of an
>issue with me.  It says that you may be running a
>little rich.  Still, a little rich 11:1 to 12:1 is a
>more powerful charge mixture than the perfect 14.7:1
>ratio.  We must also remember that a leaner mixture
>burns hotter.  Conversly, rich mixtures burn cooler.
>Therefore, air-fuel ratio or 'mixture' must be matched
>to the plug heat range.
>    Then there's compression ratio.  That too changes
>burn rates.  Higher pressure charge is harder to
>ignite therefore, a stronger ignition is required.
>Ferrari ignitions are arc welders so if you're running
>a stock ignition, you're probebly strong enough
>(assuming it is in good health).
>
>    Quick question: Do all of the plugs look similar or
>is one bank different; or one plug different?
>
>    Okay, that's just some stuff to ponder.  From this
>and someone else's post with the 'right' answer,
>you'll get the engine dialed in.
>
>regards,
>
>rick
>'79 308GTB
>--- Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what this means?
> >
> > http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
> >
> > It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1
> > compression running on
> > unleaded fuel.
> >
> > Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
> >
> > When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a
> > long drive, but the
> > last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty  of
> > idle speed stuff.
> >
> > What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only
> > done 600 miles....and
> > I've been nursing it.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
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>Message: 13
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:38:06 -0400
>From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>Subject: [Ferrari] "When did we start worrying about resale value"
>To: Robert Rehkopf <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <884b28377aebadf.46c2c97e [at] dejazzd.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>    1989 When Enzo died, that is when! It changed the world of Ferrari for
>    me.
>    Within a few months of his death I had people who I believe had less
>    than no knowledge of the significance of either Ferrari the man or his
>    automobiles call me and say" What can I buy to make money with", Why
>    won't you sell me a Testa Rossa Testarossa to them.
>
>    I actually had some one sue not only my self but Ferrari and the
>    dealer for whom I worked at the time because I would not sell them a
>    Testa Rossa at the time we were beyond sold out and our "Good
>    customers" for whom we were selling to at list were selling their cars
>    at $100,000.00 profits and then wanting to buy another, FAT CHANCE.
>    He won his suit his contention being that I knew he wanted a
>    TR.........shit, I should have sued also, I wanted a lot of
>    things....but I always thought that if you wanted some thing and could
>    afford it you stepped up raised your hand put your money on the table
>    and took your turn.
>
>    Shortly after that we ( the dealer ) said sorry folks we know you have
>    waited two years but if you want it, ante up a 100k premium.      Not
>    a whole lot of fun for the guy who had to look a friend in the eye and
>    say that. Shortly after that I left the business.
>
>    Now I sell what I can when I have a customer to whom I enjoy talking
>    with. I do not just make a market in Ferrari but I love cars be they a
>    Ferrari or a Henry J. They all have their own significance, emotional
>    ties and devoted followers.
>    Don't ever tell a man who seeks a 51 Plymouth Cranbrook station wagon
>    that he isn't going to make money, help him find his car.......He
>    knows what moves him.
>
>    Thanks for listening,..................and thank you ROL
>
>    Phil
>
>
>    Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier
>    39 Churchill Drive
>    Elverson Pa 19520
>    610.525.8949
>    And, go to: ... Philville [at] dejazzd.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:46:00 +0000
>From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I       actually
>       drivemy cartoo!--Shame, shame
>To: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID:
>       
> <834557510-1187185180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-882719972- 
> [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>How about this.....
>
>If your 308 is not leaking oil, then your sump is dry!
>
>Jim
>Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
>
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:13
>To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
>Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I 
>actually       drivemy car
>  too!--Shame, shame
>
>
>The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
>
>And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
>
>Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I
>can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
>
>Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
>
>SteveJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM
>To: Steve Jenkins
>Cc: The FerrariList
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy
>car too!--Shame, shame
>
>I agree with Bob!
>
>       Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
>
>       Second Rule of Italian Driving
>
>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:41:12 -0400
>From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town!
>To: red5hilser [at] aol.com
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <bff6c9353e7c1fdf.46c2ca38 [at] dejazzd.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>    Once again, Bubba has nailed it. No BS.  Thanks, Phil
>    Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier
>    39 Churchill Drive
>    Elverson Pa 19520
>    610.525.8949
>    And, go to: ... Philville [at] dejazzd.com
>
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>
>Message: 16
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:42:47 -0700
>From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>To: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <000901c7df42$2d8401d0$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=original
>
>two things I like about Zymol - the smell and it doesn't leave white on
>rubber.  Well, maybe three - it looks good for one car show.
>DOUG
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net>
>To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>
>
> > Most guys have Zymol Diesase from washing and waxing there car
> > They are like women have fun with them or some one else will!
> >
> > Clyde 512 TR with 82k plus
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33
> > To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> > Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
> >
> > I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're
> > not
> > going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 
>'OWNERS'
> > ie
> > those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
> > Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say 
>shame,
> > shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
> > Thank You
> >
> > Robert Rehkopf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >
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>Message: 17
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:47:00 -0700
>From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Message-ID: <001b01c7df42$c48785c0$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=original
>
>Rick asks "Quick question: Do all of the plugs look similar or is one bank
>different; or one plug different?"
>
>GOOD point Rick - for all intents and purposes, the gt4 engine is really 
>two
>4 cylinder engines held together by a common crankshaft and cylinder block.
>
>DOUG
>
>
>
>
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Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 13, Issue 27	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: jimshadow (jimshadowverizon.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT)