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From: ethan tyui (ferraries180 hotmail.com)
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| Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) | |
Stop sending me things like the vol and issue
thx
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1. SPOILER Re: I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! (LS) 2. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drive my car too!--Shame, shame (Larry B) 3. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson) 4. Seems we're into Pristine (Robert Rehkopf) 5. Re: Spark plug reading? (Peter Pless) 6. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (clyde) 7. Re: Spark plug reading? (jimshadow [at] verizon.net) 8. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson) 9. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car too!--Shame, shame (Steve Jenkins) 10. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actuallydrivemy car too!--Shame, shame (Dennis Liu) 11. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (jimshadow [at] verizon.net) 12. Re: Spark plug reading? (Rick Lindsay) 13. "When did we start worrying about resale value" (philville dejazzd.com) 14. Re: Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy cartoo!--Shame, shame (jimshadow [at] verizon.net) 15. Re: I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! (philville dejazzd.com) 16. Re: Seems we're into Pristine (Doug and Terri Anderson) 17. Re: Spark plug reading? (Doug and Terri Anderson)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> Subject: [Ferrari] SPOILER Re: I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! To: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> Cc: Cameron Rentiers <campete [at] hotmail.com>, The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <787400.88552.qm [at] web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I only watched the last two laps and it was pretty entertaining. Funny to see Gordon fold while in the lead...and that crash wasn't Montoya's fault from what I saw.
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To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: Cameron Rentiers <campete [at] hotmail.com>; The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:05:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town!
Not as boring as F1 and it was at a better time of the day for me...
On 8/12/07, rentiers [at] mac.com <rentiers [at] mac.com> wrote:
>
> Big Juan Pablo Punchout! Flyin' Fists O' Justice at Watkins Glen. You
> gotta love NASCAR!
>
> KEN
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:44:41 -0400 From: Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drive my car too!--Shame, shame To: Ferrarilist <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <BLU102-W159ABA66A7243BB90D379AAEDE0 [at] phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
And if (as in my case), it turns out you don't go for overnight excursions in the car, you also don'ta need luggage. For a variety of reasons -- mostly available time -- the only occasions on which I have gone somewhere overnight the last few years I have either travelled by air, gone to track events (where I've tracked a different car -- sorry), or visited New York Ciry (where I think it's crazy to take the car. So the luggage remains, waiting, in the closet. Sure, I probably need to get more of a life and drive off for at least a weekend locally.
Larry> From: rentiers [at] mac.com> > I agree with Bob!> > Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.> > Second Rule of Italian Driving> > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 10:49 PM, robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com wrote:> > > Hey...I'm an oldfart Ferrarilister, and I drive my old shitbox 308 > > all the time (3-4 times a week). I don't need no stinkin' fancy > > luggage...although I'd love to have some to scuff up! >> >> > -- "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> wrote:> > What's wrong with you guys? The Ferrarilisters of old are noted for > > driving> > their cars, using the Ferrari stuff, etc. It's just stuff after > > all. Shame,> > shame on you guys for hiding stuff in closets and wrapping stuff in > > plastic> > bags. Hell you only live once. Buy it and use it! I use mine > > luggage and I> > like it!> > When did we start worrying about resale value, etc and stop > > worrying about> > how we can make our cars go faster around the track? We're starting > > to sound> > like non-drives and proud that we only but 300 miles last year on > > our cars.> > Shame, shame.> > Thank You> >> > Robert Rehkopf
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:10:59 -0700 From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <007f01c7df3d$d8483b40$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Hello Peter - looks good to me. It is the insulator that we look at to see what's going on. The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled, then shut down. Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may have a problem. Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use going from good to bad to ugly. The worst one? No insulator left - just a gnarled mass due to detonation. DOUG ps - nice picture - good close up detail. What type of camera?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> Does anyone know what this means?
>
> http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
>
> It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> unleaded fuel.
>
> Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
>
> When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty of idle speed stuff.
>
> What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 miles....and
> I've been nursing it.
>
> TIA
>
> Peter
>
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33 -0500 From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine To: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV7C7F8284FAB1597ECCD84AEDE0 [at] phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're not
going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' ie
those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
Thank You
Robert Rehkopf
>
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:51 +1000 From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <20070815131742.JIB3248.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com [at] desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks Doug.
That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, really
-----Original Message----- From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net] Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM To: Peter Pless Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
Hello Peter - looks good to me. It is the insulator that we look at to see what's going on. The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled, then shut down. Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may have a problem. Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use going from good to bad to ugly. The worst one? No insulator left - just a gnarled mass due to detonation. DOUG ps - nice picture - good close up detail. What type of camera?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> Does anyone know what this means?
>
> http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
>
> It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> unleaded fuel.
>
> Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
>
> When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty of idle speed stuff.
>
> What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 miles....and
> I've been nursing it.
>
> TIA
>
> Peter
>
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:20:43 +0000 GMT From: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine To: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>, "Home" <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <193878257-1187184044-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-26968- [at] engine09-cell02>
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Most guys have Zymol Diesase from washing and waxing there car They are like women have fun with them or some one else will!
Clyde 512 TR with 82k plus
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-----Original Message----- From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33 To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're not
going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' ie
those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
Thank You
Robert Rehkopf
>
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:28:49 +0000 From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <617524814-1187184149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1945305714- [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Peter,
That's funny!!! Why the hell did I spend all this $ on a damn digital SLR???????
LOL!
Jim Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:51 To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> Cc:'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
Thanks Doug.
That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, really
-----Original Message----- From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net] Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM To: Peter Pless Cc: 'The FerrariList' Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
Hello Peter - looks good to me. It is the insulator that we look at to see what's going on. The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about, idled, then shut down. Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you may have a problem. Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use going from good to bad to ugly. The worst one? No insulator left - just a gnarled mass due to detonation. DOUG ps - nice picture - good close up detail. What type of camera?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> Does anyone know what this means?
>
> http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
>
> It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
> unleaded fuel.
>
> Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
>
> When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
> last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty of idle speed stuff.
>
> What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 miles....and
> I've been nursing it.
>
> TIA
>
> Peter
>
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:26:06 -0700 From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? To: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <00cd01c7df3f$d8199f40$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Well then Peter - no question about it - its the photographer. heh heh DOUG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
> Thanks Doug.
>
> That's so funny about the pic qual. I bought the cheapest camera I could
> find at the supermarket!!...only because I was photographing my engine
> rebuild...so..it's a no name brand. Never had a camera before this, really
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2007 11:11 PM
> To: Peter Pless
> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
> Hello Peter - looks good to me. It is the insulator that we look at to
> see
> what's going on. The carbon soot is normal of a motor driven about,
> idled,
> then shut down. Now if the insulator looked like that - or heaven forbid
> was bright white - a sign of too lean or the plug is too hot - then you
> may
> have a problem. Champion plugs used to have all sorts of charts to use
> going from good to bad to ugly. The worst one? No insulator left - just
> a
> gnarled mass due to detonation.
> DOUG
> ps - nice picture - good close up detail. What type of camera?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Pless" <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au>
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:00 AM
> Subject: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading?
>
>
>> Does anyone know what this means?
>>
>> http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg
>>
>> It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 compression running on
>> unleaded fuel.
>>
>> Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance.
>>
>> When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a long drive, but the
>> last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty of idle speed stuff.
>>
>> What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only done 600 miles....and
>> I've been nursing it.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Peter
>>
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:13 -0700 From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car too!--Shame, shame To: "'ken rentiers'" <rentiers [at] mac.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <000001c7df41$88c8d580$0202fea9 [at] maple.jenkins.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
SteveJ
-----Original Message----- From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car too!--Shame, shame
I agree with Bob!
Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
Second Rule of Italian Driving
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:35:04 -0400 From: Dennis Liu <bigheaddennis [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actuallydrivemy car too!--Shame, shame To: "'Steve Jenkins'" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <DFC9E3D726BA4B008265B1586E87955E [at] DennisThinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Just go ahead and pass them on the on-ramp - they already think you're a dick....
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve [at] stevejenkins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Dennis Liu
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actuallydrivemy car
too!--Shame, shame
The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
SteveJ
-----Original Message----- From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car too!--Shame, shame
I agree with Bob!
Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
Second Rule of Italian Driving
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Message: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:41:57 +0000 From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine To: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <1119019042-1187184937-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-281380959- [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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I bought my GT4 in April to drive! I put 2,000miles on it before some kid hit me. Its been in the shop coming up on 2 months now.....ill try my damndest to make up those miles before the snow flies here in Indiana! :)
That being said, I do see why guys like Rob Garven and a couple others maintain their cars at the level they do. They have pristine examples that do get driven and shown, but to buy an average Fcar and not drive it just because its a Ferrari is ridiculous! These are cars people, go get coo coo for coo coo puffs and drive them like you stole 'em! (oh yeah, I stole that!!!)
Jim
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-----Original Message----- From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33 To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're not
going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS' ie
those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
Thank You
Robert Rehkopf
>
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Message: 12 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? To: Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <209890.14828.qm [at] web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hey Peter, Everyone and his brother will have opinions on this issue but I'll add mine.
First of all, a plug-cut should only be done (read: only be interpreted) from plugs that have not been subjected to recent idle. That is, the technique says: Go for a spirited drive and at the last second of that drive, cut the engine WITHOUT allowing it to idle - not even rolling into the garage. The carbon build-up comes from idleing and that can preclude an honest read of the plug. This site has a good write-up on the idea:
http://www.centuryperformance.com/spark.asp
Don't forget to go to page 2 where there are more pictures.
Your picture shows an insulator that is about the right color, perhaps a little too cool (read: it isn't staying hot enough to burn off deposits). The ground electrode color isn't too bad either. Still, I would expect the whole thing to be a dusty tan color if everything was balanced properly. The black carbon around the base of the plug is not too much of an issue with me. It says that you may be running a little rich. Still, a little rich 11:1 to 12:1 is a more powerful charge mixture than the perfect 14.7:1 ratio. We must also remember that a leaner mixture burns hotter. Conversly, rich mixtures burn cooler. Therefore, air-fuel ratio or 'mixture' must be matched to the plug heat range. Then there's compression ratio. That too changes burn rates. Higher pressure charge is harder to ignite therefore, a stronger ignition is required. Ferrari ignitions are arc welders so if you're running a stock ignition, you're probebly strong enough (assuming it is in good health).
Quick question: Do all of the plugs look similar or is one bank different; or one plug different?
Okay, that's just some stuff to ponder. From this and someone else's post with the 'right' answer, you'll get the engine dialed in.
regards,
rick '79 308GTB --- Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> wrote:
> Does anyone know what this means? > > http://www.pless.com.au/308plug.jpg > > It's from my newly rebuilt 308GT4 engine. 10:1 > compression running on > unleaded fuel. > > Programmable ignition gives it lots of advance. > > When the plug was pulled, I'd come back from quite a > long drive, but the > last bit of it consisted of traffic and plenty of > idle speed stuff. > > What's with the carbon on it already? Engine's only > done 600 miles....and > I've been nursing it. > > TIA > > Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, > please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/rolindsay%40yahoo.com > > Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper > http://www.BidNip.com/ > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ >
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Message: 13 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:38:06 -0400 From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com> Subject: [Ferrari] "When did we start worrying about resale value" To: Robert Rehkopf <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <884b28377aebadf.46c2c97e [at] dejazzd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
1989 When Enzo died, that is when! It changed the world of Ferrari for me. Within a few months of his death I had people who I believe had less than no knowledge of the significance of either Ferrari the man or his automobiles call me and say" What can I buy to make money with", Why won't you sell me a Testa Rossa Testarossa to them.
I actually had some one sue not only my self but Ferrari and the dealer for whom I worked at the time because I would not sell them a Testa Rossa at the time we were beyond sold out and our "Good customers" for whom we were selling to at list were selling their cars at $100,000.00 profits and then wanting to buy another, FAT CHANCE. He won his suit his contention being that I knew he wanted a TR.........shit, I should have sued also, I wanted a lot of things....but I always thought that if you wanted some thing and could afford it you stepped up raised your hand put your money on the table and took your turn.
Shortly after that we ( the dealer ) said sorry folks we know you have waited two years but if you want it, ante up a 100k premium. Not a whole lot of fun for the guy who had to look a friend in the eye and say that. Shortly after that I left the business.
Now I sell what I can when I have a customer to whom I enjoy talking with. I do not just make a market in Ferrari but I love cars be they a Ferrari or a Henry J. They all have their own significance, emotional ties and devoted followers. Don't ever tell a man who seeks a 51 Plymouth Cranbrook station wagon that he isn't going to make money, help him find his car.......He knows what moves him.
Thanks for listening,..................and thank you ROL
Phil
Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier 39 Churchill Drive Elverson Pa 19520 610.525.8949 And, go to: ... Philville [at] dejazzd.com
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Message: 14 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:46:00 +0000 From: jimshadow [at] verizon.net Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy cartoo!--Shame, shame To: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <834557510-1187185180-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-882719972- [at] bxe011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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How about this.....
If your 308 is not leaking oil, then your sump is dry!
Jim Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:13
To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car
too!--Shame, shame
The SECOND rule of Italian driving! I LOVE IT!
And I believe it calls for a top 10 rules! That alone could be a mug!
Post your nominations, and figure out a way for us to vote online. And if I can't figure that out, I'll just pick them myself. :)
Then I'll make a Caf? Press mug!
SteveJ
-----Original Message----- From: ken rentiers [mailto:rentiers [at] mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:51 PM To: Steve Jenkins Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari luggage--I use mine and I actually drivemy car too!--Shame, shame
I agree with Bob!
Ifa you don't stop, you don'ta need luggage.
Second Rule of Italian Driving
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Message: 15 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:41:12 -0400 From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I Want To Take You To - Punchy Town! To: red5hilser [at] aol.com Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <bff6c9353e7c1fdf.46c2ca38 [at] dejazzd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Once again, Bubba has nailed it. No BS. Thanks, Phil Philip "Phil" Tegtmeier 39 Churchill Drive Elverson Pa 19520 610.525.8949 And, go to: ... Philville [at] dejazzd.com
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Message: 16 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:42:47 -0700 From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine To: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <000901c7df42$2d8401d0$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
two things I like about Zymol - the smell and it doesn't leave white on rubber. Well, maybe three - it looks good for one car show. DOUG
----- Original Message ----- From: "clyde" <clyderomero [at] mycingular.blackberry.net> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
> Most guys have Zymol Diesase from washing and waxing there car
> They are like women have fun with them or some one else will!
>
> Clyde 512 TR with 82k plus
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:14:33
> To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: [Ferrari] Seems we're into Pristine
>
> I think we're back to the age old question, why have something if you're
> not
> going to use it? Many years ago this list would chastise Ferrari 'OWNERS'
> ie
> those that are not Ferrari 'DRIVERS'! Seems like some may have become
> Ferrari OWNERS not touching and even hiding our stuff? I still say shame,
> shame if you've got it use it. What are you saving it for, someone else!
> Thank You
>
> Robert Rehkopf
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
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Message: 17 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:47:00 -0700 From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Spark plug reading? To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7df42$c48785c0$e5263442 [at] YOUR6EA8154886> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Rick asks "Quick question: Do all of the plugs look similar or is one bank different; or one plug different?"
GOOD point Rick - for all intents and purposes, the gt4 engine is really two
4 cylinder engines held together by a common crankshaft and cylinder block.
DOUG
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