Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrari List

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

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From: red5hilser [at] aol.com

Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:13:11 
To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge of
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I had a Winchester Mod. 1892 lever action with an octagon barrel, chambered for 
the .45-70 cartridge. It was made/frirst sold in 1895. A friend loaded up some 
400 grain bullets, and from what I saw and felt, it could bring a buff or 
anything else walking this earth to it's knees with a single shot and kicked 
like the proverbial mule. Needless to say, I was in awe.
They say that the new sniper cartridge (.413 cal?) has confirmed kills of over 
2,200 yards. Thats 22 football fields put end to end! WOW!

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba


-----Original Message-----
From: BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge of 
theFerrari List



Interesting (off) topic subject. I missed the initial post and so I can  only 
assume that the question does, in fact, pertain to an "official rifle  
cartridge" perhaps one to be carried in the automobile at times when one it  
traveling in remote areas, parking it unlocked in the ghetto per Clyde's  
instructions, or as protection against the "road-raged" individual who is 
pissed  
off 
because you passed him on the right on the interstate because he was driving  
5mph under the speed limit for no apparent reason except for the fact that  
he/she failed the psychological test to become a state trooper and now this is  
the 
only way that they can impose their will upon other drivers since they were  
denied the blue/red lights and siren.
 
The .308 (or as Wikpedia notes also designated 7.62mm NATO, OR 7.6x51  mm) is 
an acceptable candidate but IMNSHO not nearly the best one as an official  
rifle cartridge. And, of course, given the close quarters of a Ferrari cockpit  
it would necessarily need to be supplemented by an "official pistol/revolver  
cartridge" as well. Power of the 7.62mm is better than the 5.56 mm cartridge  
that is now the NATO standard, but unless utilized with an appropriate carbine 
 (again the close quarters of a Ferrari militate a shorter barreled rifle) is 
not  eve a very good choice. A Winchester Model 100 carbine in that caliber 
would be  a fine choice for such a carbine, but is now a collector's firearm 
and its  current value could serve to preclude such usage, even by the 
relatively well  financed listmembers. Personally, while I own such a Win. Mod. 
100, 
the 7.62mm  "long" gun that I utilize in an AR-10 with 16", the minimum legal 
without  additional paperwork and registration documation) barrel length and a 
20 round  magazine. A nice, stable firearm, though as with most semi-automatic 
rifles  there is a requirement for maintenance that might equal, in relative 
terms, that  of a Ferrari to guarantee proper functioning at the critical 
moment (which  should be an absolute requirement for any "official" cartridge). 
 

Right  now, I carry a Marlin Mod. 1895GS stainless steel lever action carbine 
for any  excursions into the underdeveloped areas of our country such as the NV 
highways.  Its .45-70 caliber cartridge has withstood the test of time, having 
started out  used for taking Bison as food in the old west in the Trapdoor 
Springfield Rifle,  and has been significantly improved in both loadings and 
bullets for use in  modern firearms such as the 1895GS. Fewer rounds than the 
AR-10, also fewer  sharp(er) and exposed parts to damage the interior of the 
car 

and with manual  extraction through the use of a lever actuated action better 
firing discipline  and the an ability to be cleared with immediate recognition 
that may benefit the  occasional shooter who might carry it for defense but 
practice little with the  rifle after sighting it in. Incidentally, both 
firearms, the 1895GS and the  carbine upper receiver group of the AR-10 are 
equipped 
with open sights which  are, again IMNSHO, more suitable for close encounters 
of the hostile kind.
 
Right now I am in the process of testing a replacement for my "glove  box" 
and by the bed handgun. Remembering, of course that the carrying of a  handgun 
for personal defense in many states may require a permit or be somewhat  
restricted to either plain view, or to be carried in the glove box but not the  
console so as to limit immediate accessibility. I still carry either my 
Detonics  

9mm or my SigSauer M239 in .40S&W on my person and having carried a pistol,  
more specifically a variant of the Sig for about the last 10 years before  
retiring, and ever since that will be unlikely to change for personal 
preference  

reasons. I am, experimenting with a Taurus "Judge" model revolver with a  
cylinder that is chambered for both the .45 Colt and the .410 2.5in. shotgun  
cartridges. This is my first Taurus firearm that I have ever owned given their  
reputation in the past of lesser quality firearms but my examination of this  
firearm (which is backed by a lifetime warranty) has caused me to conclude that 
 

it appears to be a fine quality firearm, every bit equal to current S&W or  
Colt production. The idea of carrying a revolver (or placing it at one's  
bedside) that chambers a #3 buckshot shotgun cartridge in sequences (the ideal  
one 
is still in the testing stage) with the .45 Long Colt makes it a fine short  
range, self-defense encounter profile firearm. I should also note that a 
number  of the "gurus" of the firearms magazine ilk concur with this conclusion.
 
I would suggest that it be noted that I favor moving up to larger caliber  
firearms for any self-defense or survival encounters. This is predicated upon  
the documented need to resolve favorably such encounters as soon as practicable 
 and with an outcome that guarantees, to the greatest extent possible, that 
the  adversary in the encounter be disabled thus terminating in the appropriate 
 manner.
 
I  do recognize that firearms, and cartridge, choices are a highly  personal 
choice and any "official cartridge" will be subject to preferential  challenge 
and I can respect any other choice(s) that are predicated upon  extensive 
practical and anecdotal experiecnce.
 
Dr. Steve  

1964 Rolls  Royce Silver Cloud III...........1975 Pontiac GV Conv.
1980 MB  450SL...................................1982 RR Corniche
1985 MB 280 GE  G-Wagen..................1988 Rolls Royce Silver Spur
1990 Cadillac "Eagle"  Hearse................1994 F-350 Powerstroke 4x4 
1995 Ferrari 348  Spyder........................1996 Bronco
2000 Lincoln Town  Car..........................2004 Excursion
and a
1976 HAHN- WARNER &  SWASEY- DUPLEX DIVISION HOWE APPARTUS. THE MODEL #R400 
FIRE TRUCK w/a 100' Tower  System
(+ Audrey's 2x MB's)


Dr. Stephen B. Spies, CES,  CFI
Director, Forensic Sciences Laboratory
Explosives Engineering  Technologies

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