Ferrari Mailing List: Re: OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge oftheFerrariList

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

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From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:05:49 
To:clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net
Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge     
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Just for Clyde here's an email I posted to my club's IPSC mailing list.

Santa came early and brought me a new rifle ( 
http://www.remington.com/tactical/tactical_rifle_specs.asp ).  I mounted a 
Springfield Armory Gen III 6-20x scope that had being sitting on the shelf for 
too long, slipped on a pair of Butler Creek flip-up scope covers, and clipped 
on a Harris Bipod.  I don't like the hinged magazine (should be a drop free), 
and may try to get a H-S Precision floor plate replacement if they still make 
them for .223.  If anyone's interested in shooting it, conger up some warm 
weather and we'll meet at the outdoor range.

Next up - watches, cats, and bad porsche jokes.  Dennis's head may explode.


clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net wrote:

>I love this more gun stuff on a car list
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>From: red5hilser [at] aol.com
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>Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:13:11 
>To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>Cc:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge of
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>I had a Winchester Mod. 1892 lever action with an octagon barrel, chambered 
>for the .45-70 cartridge. It was made/frirst sold in 1895. A friend loaded up 
>some 400 grain bullets, and from what I saw and felt, it could bring a buff or 
>anything else walking this earth to it's knees with a single shot and kicked 
>like the proverbial mule. Needless to say, I was in awe.
>They say that the new sniper cartridge (.413 cal?) has confirmed kills of over 
>2,200 yards. Thats 22 football fields put end to end! WOW!
>
>Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] OFF TOPIC !!! - RE: Official Rifle Cartridge of 
>theFerrari List
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>Interesting (off) topic subject. I missed the initial post and so I can  only 
>assume that the question does, in fact, pertain to an "official rifle  
>cartridge" perhaps one to be carried in the automobile at times when one it  
>traveling in remote areas, parking it unlocked in the ghetto per Clyde's  
>instructions, or as protection against the "road-raged" individual who is 
>pissed  
>off 
>because you passed him on the right on the interstate because he was driving  
>5mph under the speed limit for no apparent reason except for the fact that  
>he/she failed the psychological test to become a state trooper and now this is 
> 
>the 
>only way that they can impose their will upon other drivers since they were  
>denied the blue/red lights and siren.
> 
>The .308 (or as Wikpedia notes also designated 7.62mm NATO, OR 7.6x51  mm) is 
>an acceptable candidate but IMNSHO not nearly the best one as an official  
>rifle cartridge. And, of course, given the close quarters of a Ferrari cockpit 
> 
>it would necessarily need to be supplemented by an "official pistol/revolver  
>cartridge" as well. Power of the 7.62mm is better than the 5.56 mm cartridge  
>that is now the NATO standard, but unless utilized with an appropriate carbine 
> (again the close quarters of a Ferrari militate a shorter barreled rifle) is 
>not  eve a very good choice. A Winchester Model 100 carbine in that caliber 
>would be  a fine choice for such a carbine, but is now a collector's firearm 
>and its  current value could serve to preclude such usage, even by the 
>relatively well  financed listmembers. Personally, while I own such a Win. 
>Mod. 
>100, 
>the 7.62mm  "long" gun that I utilize in an AR-10 with 16", the minimum legal 
>without  additional paperwork and registration documation) barrel length and a 
>20 round  magazine. A nice, stable firearm, though as with most semi-automatic 
>rifles  there is a requirement for maintenance that might equal, in relative 
>terms, that  of a Ferrari to guarantee proper functioning at the critical 
>moment (which  should be an absolute requirement for any "official" 
>cartridge).  
>
>Right  now, I carry a Marlin Mod. 1895GS stainless steel lever action carbine 
>for any  excursions into the underdeveloped areas of our country such as the 
>NV 
>highways.  Its .45-70 caliber cartridge has withstood the test of time, having 
>started out  used for taking Bison as food in the old west in the Trapdoor 
>Springfield Rifle,  and has been significantly improved in both loadings and 
>bullets for use in  modern firearms such as the 1895GS. Fewer rounds than the 
>AR-10, also fewer  sharp(er) and exposed parts to damage the interior of the 
>car 
>
>and with manual  extraction through the use of a lever actuated action better 
>firing discipline  and the an ability to be cleared with immediate recognition 
>that may benefit the  occasional shooter who might carry it for defense but 
>practice little with the  rifle after sighting it in. Incidentally, both 
>firearms, the 1895GS and the  carbine upper receiver group of the AR-10 are 
>equipped 
>with open sights which  are, again IMNSHO, more suitable for close encounters 
>of the hostile kind.
> 
>Right now I am in the process of testing a replacement for my "glove  box" 
>and by the bed handgun. Remembering, of course that the carrying of a  handgun 
>for personal defense in many states may require a permit or be somewhat  
>restricted to either plain view, or to be carried in the glove box but not the 
> 
>console so as to limit immediate accessibility. I still carry either my 
>Detonics  
>
>9mm or my SigSauer M239 in .40S&W on my person and having carried a pistol,  
>more specifically a variant of the Sig for about the last 10 years before  
>retiring, and ever since that will be unlikely to change for personal 
>preference  
>
>reasons. I am, experimenting with a Taurus "Judge" model revolver with a  
>cylinder that is chambered for both the .45 Colt and the .410 2.5in. shotgun  
>cartridges. This is my first Taurus firearm that I have ever owned given their 
> 
>reputation in the past of lesser quality firearms but my examination of this  
>firearm (which is backed by a lifetime warranty) has caused me to conclude 
>that  
>
>it appears to be a fine quality firearm, every bit equal to current S&W or  
>Colt production. The idea of carrying a revolver (or placing it at one's  
>bedside) that chambers a #3 buckshot shotgun cartridge in sequences (the ideal 
> 
>one 
>is still in the testing stage) with the .45 Long Colt makes it a fine short  
>range, self-defense encounter profile firearm. I should also note that a 
>number  of the "gurus" of the firearms magazine ilk concur with this 
>conclusion.
> 
>I would suggest that it be noted that I favor moving up to larger caliber  
>firearms for any self-defense or survival encounters. This is predicated upon  
>the documented need to resolve favorably such encounters as soon as 
>practicable 
> and with an outcome that guarantees, to the greatest extent possible, that 
>the  adversary in the encounter be disabled thus terminating in the 
>appropriate 
> manner.
> 
>I  do recognize that firearms, and cartridge, choices are a highly  personal 
>choice and any "official cartridge" will be subject to preferential  challenge 
>and I can respect any other choice(s) that are predicated upon  extensive 
>practical and anecdotal experiecnce.
> 
>Dr. Steve  
>
>1964 Rolls  Royce Silver Cloud III...........1975 Pontiac GV Conv.
>1980 MB  450SL...................................1982 RR Corniche
>1985 MB 280 GE  G-Wagen..................1988 Rolls Royce Silver Spur
>1990 Cadillac "Eagle"  Hearse................1994 F-350 Powerstroke 4x4 
>1995 Ferrari 348  Spyder........................1996 Bronco
>2000 Lincoln Town  Car..........................2004 Excursion
>and a
>1976 HAHN- WARNER &  SWASEY- DUPLEX DIVISION HOWE APPARTUS. THE MODEL #R400 
>FIRE TRUCK w/a 100' Tower  System
>(+ Audrey's 2x MB's)
>
>
>Dr. Stephen B. Spies, CES,  CFI
>Director, Forensic Sciences Laboratory
>Explosives Engineering  Technologies
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