Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 355 Advice

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You wrote <<got the car he wants in the condition he wants>>
Hi David.

Exactly!   And, hopefully he will be happy & enjoy using it for a long time 
because (assuming he doesn't have wiring harness problems like Charles' 
Vette ) when he decides to sell it, he may be surprised to find the value of 
his Ferrari is significantly less than he hopes.  Finding someone who is 
willing to take a chance on his repairs may be hard to find - especially if 
his asking price is anywhere near the price of a non-salvage model -
But that's something he has considered I hope -
I suspect it's possible to find a way to have the "Salvage" label removed 
from the title - and that carries moral and legal issues he'll have to work 
thru - depending on where he lives.
Have a nice Hump Day -
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thursby" <david [at] thethursbys.net>

To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>

Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 355 Advice
I think it's a flood title, not a salvage. To him it doesn't matter. He
got the car he wants in the condition he wants.
I'd be happy with a well sorted flood car, but would always have that
question mark hanging over a salvage car. I don't know anywhere near
enough about structural integrity issues after major repairs. I wouldn't
even know what to look for. It does seem that there are a lot of salvage
title cars available that appear to have really minimal damage. High
dollar value to repair, but minimal visible damage. Of course, if you
offered me a 250SWB with a salvage title for 200K, I think I'd have
little difficulty with the decision :)
Dave
Doug and Terri Anderson wrote:

Hmmmm - is the title SALVAGE ?
DOUG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Thursby" <david [at] thethursbys.net>

To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>

Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 355 Advice

jetfixr on Ferrarichat bought a flood car and now has a PERFECT 355
spider for about the same price as a neglected one. He's maybe 10 grand
ahead, but that does not factor in his 100's of hours of time. He did
get what he wanted though - a perfect car that he knows for a fact is
perfect. He's had the car stripped down to a bare chassis. He also did
everything properly - no shortcuts.
Clyde - you'd like him - he used to have a MiG 21 as a toy.
Dave
cdatte [at] spawar.navy.mil wrote:
I see 355's on the net for 44ish-50ish then a gap then 70ish and up
of course you can't really tell what it is.
I've looked into damaged ones before and most of the time you loose.
Yep they're always priced too high and they like to charge lots of
$'s for the parts.
It would be interesting to talk to people that have bought these
projects to see where they came out in the end.
At 01:35 PM 7/29/2008, David Thursby wrote:
Too much $$$
Didn't we have an email a while ago about a yellow 360M, no damage, 
but

no garage queen either, that sold for 72K? Same email talked about a

white 355 spider for $44K.
Dave.
LarryT wrote:
Here's a little 360 Fixer-Upper

http://www.alltypeauto.com/index.php?category=&make=Ferrari&model=&srt=make+ASC&p=5&submit=Search
You may need to widen your email to get the link all on one line. 
It's

a

360 with some damage - they still wat $77k for it --
There's a number of places like this with a variety of cars - some 
more

damaged, some less.
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] 355 Advice

Pierre -
I have a 98 F355 spider which I've owned since 2002. I love the car,

but

have had all but one of the 355's famous issues and one that was my

own

fault. Overall it is a great car, but like all Ferraris, some

development work was left to the owners. Knowing the issues will 
help

you see how much previous owners have done and how much you may have

to

do.
1995 cars are slightly more powerful than newer units due to the

change

in Bosch fuel injection systems that started in 1996. Some early 
cars

have had problems with valve guides wearing prematurely, which 
causes

a

variety of problems. I don't think anyone has ever pinned down a 
year

or

VIN range where this occurred, and there are some people with early

cars

who have never had the problem and some people with later cars that

had

it. We all strongly recommend a pre-purchase inspection (PPI), and 
it

is

worth the extra money to pay for compression and leakdown tests to

look

for this problem.
355s also have a habit of melting their exhaust manifolds. They are

made

out of a cheap, thin steel and some have postulated that if the

catalytic converters get clogged, the additional heat burns the the

manifold. The manifolds can be replaced, rebuilt with better

materials,

or upgraded to higher end versions like Tubi. I would recommend one 
of

the two later options if your car hasn't already had the issue 
fixed.

Fixing cost is $1500-$3000 depending on solution.
355s have the rubbery coating on many interior surfaces (door pulls,

switch trim, AC vent trim, steering console surround, emergency 
brake

surround, center console) which turns to a disgusting sticky goo 
over

time. No idea what triggers it - some have postulated sun exposure 
or

cleaning chemicals. Solutions are to replace the items ($$$), or to

chemically strip them down to plain plastic ($), or to upgrade them 
to

something like carbon fiber ($$$).
355s tend to have shrinkage in the dash leather over time, usually

starting with the airbag cover on the passenger side, and then the

instrument cluster. Leather wear on the driver's bolster is common, 
as

is road rash on the door intakes and behind the wheels where the 
body

work sticks out. This is cosmetic, so you may not care but it can be 
a

negotiating point if your car has the issue.
You mentioned a berlinetta, so I won't bore you with the convertible
top
issues on a spider.
Routine maintenance isn't bad except for the 30k/5 year service 
where

the engine is pulled to do the timing belts. This is crucial and it 
is

urgent that you respect the time limit - not just the mileage limit

like

all salesman will tell you is fine. I did drag my service out to 6

years, and I did break a timing belt, and I paid a painful engine

rebuild price as a result. My fault, but don't skimp on scheduled

maintenance as it only gets more expensive if you wait. This service

will run you anywhere from $3500 with a good independent mechanic 
and

minimal replacement to $8-10k from a dealer with "while we're in

there"

stuff.
Transmission is a personal choice. This was the debut of the F1 
paddle

shift. Some love it, some don't. It is an early system, so certainly

slower and more clunky than current systems with potentially high

repair

bills for things like the F1 hydraulic pump or actuators. I bought 
the

6-speed because I like the involvement and because I believe it will

be

easier/cheaper to service over the long run, but try both if you 
can.
As Clyde says, prices are low on these. I see most Berlinetta's

offered

in the $60k-$70k range and depending on the dealer or owner, it is 
not

unusual to get 10-30% off asking prices depending on how crazy the

offerer priced it to begin with. As a general rule, aftermarket

equipment devalues a Ferrari, so if your car has a big stereo or 
phat

chromed rims or some such thing, negotiate against that, even if you

like them.
My insurance in the states is about $800/year under a collector car
policy with generous useage limits.
I don't want to scare you off as these are really fun cars (any

Ferrari), but they are very much NOT Lexus/Toyota as far as build

quality and reliability, so the more you go in eyes open, the more

enjoyable your Ferrari experience will be. There are huge assets 
here

and at www.ferrarichat.com if you want to investigate further, or I

would be happy to talk to you further.
Most important shopping tip is what Clyde already told you - buy 
with

your head, not with your heart. It's easy to get carried away with a

gleaming Ferrari in front of you, but if the car doesn't have

maintenance records and obvious signs of previous care (original

books,

tools, etc), then wait. There is always another car, especially with

modern Ferraris.
Good luck!
-- charles
-- 98 F355 Spider
-- 87 Testarossa
-- 99 Diablo

-----Original Message-----
From: bouaze pierre [mailto:pbouaze [at] hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:12 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 24, Issue 38

hello all,
I am looking to buy a ferrari 355 berlinetta, pref a 98 or 99 in the

next year. Can anyone help with general info (insurance, service

schedule, etc)  for a first time ferrari buyer??? just want to do 
some

research before i lose my virginity. Any info is appreciated
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Re: 355 Advice	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT)