Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Now Jim Hall...Re: RIP Phil Hill

[Doug and Terri Anderson (dnt]

AH Yesh - to your #1 - I saw that car at the Monterey Historics.  Owned by 
Ed Edlebrock.  They have counted up to 152 "cheats" on that little ol car. 
The shame of it all.  Rain gutter mashed into the body was one that jumped 
out - - AFTER it was shown to me.  heh heh
DOUG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>; <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Now Jim Hall...Re: RIP Phil Hill


> My two favorite Smokey stories both concern the Daytona 500:
>
> 1. One year Smokey's car was 3 to 5 mph faster than anybody elses. NASCAR 
> couldn't figure out how he was doing?it, so?they checked the engine and 
> all other parts, and found that they were within the rules. Finally 
> someone trotted out the body templates and found that Smokey had built a 
> 7/8 scale model of the full sized car. Less wind to cut through gave him 
> the unfair advantage.
>
> 2. One year Smokey was getting far better gas milage than anyone else. 
> Suspicious of foul play, NASCAR confiscated the gas tank. Before they 
> could impound and inspect the car any further, Smokey drove the car out of 
> the speedway, and back to his garage in downtown Daytona Beach. WITHOUT 
> THE GAS TANK BEING?IN THE CAR! Go figure.
>
> Did you see Smokey's radical Indy car? It consisted of two P-38 belly 
> tanks, side by side. The engine, transmission and rear-end fit into one 
> tank, and the driver and gas tank in the other. Believe it or not, the car 
> fit all existing rules and regs. One of the Yarburough brother. was 
> scheduled to drive, but after the Mickey Thompson 'Flying Rollerskate' 
> fiasco, Indy rejected the entry as being, 'Too potentally dangerous.'
>
> I loved that guy, yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS lashdeep [at] yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Now Jim Hall...Re: RIP Phil Hill
>
>
>
> I am reading Mark Donohue's Unfair Advantage and he describes his data 
> logging
> efforts as among the first ever.
>
> It was interesting to see the pics of the equipment strapped inside the 
> car.
>
> Hall's innovations were amazing. The wings, ground effects, moveable aero 
> aids,
> etc.
>
> It's interesting that in T/A, many of Donohue's "advantages" were outlawed 
> not
> because they were against the rules, but because they were essentially too 
> good!
>
> LS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Hans
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Now Jim Hall...Re: RIP Phil Hill
>
> The answer is: Lots.? Certainly not to take anything away from Hall,
> as he was quite the innovator.? I think that's why GM favored him
> with parts and info - they knew that he would make the best use
> of the help.
>
> Hall and GM essentially invented real time data telemetry.? They
> had a phone link to Detroit where engineers were able to monitor
> vehicle data in tests from Rattle Snake Raceway.
>
> Hall received an early version of the big block Chevy a year or 2
> before it showed up in the 1965 Corvette.
>
> Hall's "secret" automatic in the early '60s was a preproduction
> version of the TH400.
>
> GM had their "favorites" that received lots of parts and tech help.
> For a while, Smokey Yunick was a favored son and the combo
> produced such innovations (for the time....) as the small block
> angle plug heads.? I think that we can assume that such "back
> door" engineering still goes on in Nascar, and it happens in a
> very public manner with the Pratt & Miller Corvette team. The
> 7.0L C5R motor was derived not from the production motor, but
> from an experimental truck casting that GM was developing.
> That casting never made it into trucks, but it's now used in the
> new generation Z06 and presumably the ZR1.
>
> Hans.
>
> On 8/29/08, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> > How much influence/innovation did Chevy provide for Chaparral?
> >
> > I know Jim Hall is a smart dude...was he as smart as the Chaparral 
> > innovations
> would suggest?
> > LS
>
>
>
>
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