Ferrari Mailing List: New 430 "futures"

(continued)

This turns out to be a pretty long email, so if you're not interested  

in 430 ordering, options and prices, here is my effort to save you the  

time. : )

After some considerable wait time, I now have the offer to order a  

430.  The journey begins.

To finalize the order specifications, I'd like to ask for advice and  

call upon the collective wisdom (yes, that means some of you shouldn't  

reply ... you know who you are ... : ) of the list.

Almost all of my questions really pertain to an "informed" decision,  

but one primary question is meant to help me go from newcomer, to  

savvy old hand: "What have you seen in other cars or ordered for  

yourself from Ferrari that you would recommend?"  I mean, aside from  

shields or Scuderia stripes or perhaps a yellow tach or carbon trim  

and sports seats, I'm looking for unique things that only the  

experienced owners even know exist.  I'm tempted by special, limited  

availability paint, but I'm also looking for savvy advice or ways to  

get things to happen (like Scuderia seats?) that might not be offered  

up to a new customer like myself unless I do my homework and know how  

to ask the right questions.  I'm tempted to get some, let's say,  

"froufrou" options (luggage or carbon trim ... this is my first  

Ferrari ... I'm prepared to get a little indulgent!) and I imagine the  

factory delivery won't be as affordable as Porsche makes it for  

example, but perhaps there's also options now offered by Ferrari's  

customization programs (no, I can't afford to redesign the whole car  

in a wind tunnel) that I just don't know about and the dealer is  

postponing my efforts to raise these questions or share any of this  

information until they're ready to proceed with the order.  I don't  

understand why they hold their cards so close to their chest, so to  

speak, and it really puts me off the whole business of dealing with  

the vagaries and nonsense, but so it goes and I'm prepared to curb my  

"bull at a gate" impulses and try to be a "good customer" because this  

is meant to be my first -- not my last -- Ferrari.

So, let's get on with the questions:

1. Will a car ordered this month or perhaps next month (Oct) be an '09  

model year -- when's Ferrari's cut-over?

2. Will CCBs add value on resale or make the car easier or harder to  

sell?

3. Will a 6-spd manual be easier or harder to sell?

4. Will a 6-spd manual be one of the last times Ferrari puts this  

transmission in any car?

5. Will a coupe hold value or appreciate/depreciate much the same as a  

spider?

6. Will the coming California Spider and GT tend to push up 430 resale  

values?

Yes, mostly my questions are about the on-going value of the car.  I  

see this car (my first Ferrari ... and I've patiently waited to order  

a new car and take delivery at the factory rather than buy a second- 

hand car that someone else ordered even if it's all but exactly how I  

would order it for myself) as the first stepping stone towards a  

relationship with the dealer and while I'm ordering the car to my  

specifications for my enjoyment (mostly as a track car) I want to  

reassess my own opinion on these aspects related to resale.  As the  

430 approaches its end of life, I could well decide to keep it if  

Ferrari decides to no long offer a manual gearbox (I think this is at  

least a possibility because of the predominance of F1 gearbox cars and  

the forthcoming double clutch gearboxes making the manual just a tiny  

bit less important other than to purists ... not that I count myself  

as a purist, but in buying my first Ferrari, I want the more intimate  

experience of the manual gearbox and I'm less worried about whether my  

lap times are a few tenths better here or there.)  I'm still waiting  

for a Scuderia, but at this late stage, I've likely missed the boat  

and I'm happy enough to console myself with the thought of a dual- 

clutch Scuderia in my future. : )

If you've taken delivery of a car at the factory, I'm keen to hear  

more of what you've learned and what you'd do next time.

Again, for the 430 order, I'll be choosing the paint, wheels and cabin  

to my tastes.  I've already run into a few surprises (it's apparently  

not possible to order the car with a second set of wheels from the  

factory -- this has to happen through a parts order) so I expect I've  

only just begun to learn what's in store for newcomers like me.  Is it  

possible to order (from the factory or as spare parts, the "face lift"  

items to bring a "normal" 430 up to the Scuderia appearance ... the  

new nose is a much better rendition of the 430 in my opinion.)  I'll  

likely go with a coupe because it's a track car, but if there's  

overwhelming favor for the Spider, for all intents and purposes, I'll  

be just as happy to have the spider knowing that it's a car that my  

wife will be simply overjoyed to see arrive.  Neither of us would ever  

be seen "arriving" at work in such a splendid machine, but at least on  

the weekends, we can enjoy it and make a trip along the coast and the  

occasional speeding ticket all the more worth the fare.

By the way, I should add that I'm overjoyed to finally be getting a  

430.  I bided my time through the 360 (much as I lusted after the car,  

I couldn't justify the finances or the distraction from my work.)  I  

missed out of the Challenge Stradale.  I've waited quite some time to  

finally order my own car since the 430 first came into sight.  If  

money can't buy me love -- and I don't let myself forget how lucky I  

am to have my wife and children give me that precious gift -- this is  

certainly a close second. : )

I look forward to any and all advice.

Adam

On Sep 20, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Erik Nielsen wrote:

No guns, its watch talk time...

On 9/20/08, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

I guess I tuned him out during the 1st trial - once it became such  

a racial,

perverse attack on the victims rather than looking for the bad guys  

I lost

interest.  It's the same in movies - if the bad guy is gonna get  

away scot

free I completely lose interest --  maybe I'll see the highlights  

to see if

there's any interest -

It's much worse in real life of course,  it's such a shame when  

people with

such promise turn into common criminals.  Just like Mike Vick - he  

was

making $100 mil/year with endorsements and contracts, etc - all  

thrown away

so he could watch some silly dogs fight!    How stupid - completely  

and

utterly stupid.  He worked all his life to live his dream - and  

throws it

away to see dogs tear each other to pieces.  I just cannot  

understand it.

He lived not far from here - went to HS and college here - was a  

typical

home town boy made good -- and he flushed it all.

And people look up to these people as role models  -  Sheesh!   

There aren't

words to properly portray the stupidity of it all.

Same with OJ - he was "acting" (note the quotes) and I presume  

still making

money endorsing stuff.  He could make money any day he chose to --  

yet he

let jeolousy consume him - and his arrogance made him think nothing  

would

stick to him -

Hey!  How about some gun talk?  ;-)

Take Care,
Larry T
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net" <Ferrarisimo [at] comcast.net>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Enough politics how about that OJ guy

Wouldn't our time be better sent discussing the latest OJ trial.

If you are not at east watching the highlights, you are missing some
good stuff.

Got to say, not only is OJ a great disappointment for the whole

hacking his ex to pieces thing (if you haven't figured it out yet  

- HE

DID IT) but this latest fiasco really shows him for the amoral goon
that he has become.  Sad to see a guy I once had a poster of on my
wall stripped down to a pathetic, strong-arm, asswipe.

Scottie

On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:22 AM, red5hilser [at] aol.com wrote:

Hey Tom: Since you're in Tulsa now, and Oral Roberts isn't using  

his

bell-tower anymore, maybe you can use it to fast and pray for our

salvation thru Obama's victory.?But hey, don't be like Oral and  

tell

the world that if it doesn't happen, "May God take me!" <g>

Or would that interfere with the planned PETA march, vegan protest,
and the burning down of the U of Oklahoma campus in Norman?

As a sign of solididary, I'm burning my much beloved Uggs right  

now!

Power to the people!

Save the Spotted Owls, yer pal, Shitbox Bubba

? ----- Original Message -----
? From: David Thursby??
? Tom,

? He may be smart, but he also said he's been to all 57 states. I  

am

not
American but I know that there's no way he's been to all of them :)

? Dave

? Tom Reynolds wrote:
All I know is that Barack is smart, has good people around him, and
can
speak in public without embarrasing himself (if he were sensitive
enough to
recognize any slight errors). Also I saw a great quote, which I'll
repeat
here:
Capitalism's criminal excesses saved by socialist governmental
policies. (Or
something like that, it was in the Tulsa World today, from a Nader
speech as
OSU Tulsa campus).
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK

----- Original Message -----
From: <BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari
Digest,Vol
26, Issue 27]

? Larry:

If there were only to be a solution. Do we vote for Barry Hussein
Obama,

whose depth of experience is only exceeded by my son who is a  

college

??? senior and
? might even graduate eventually, or the McManchurian candidate, a
good
??? sailor
? who? stood up as best he could for as long as he could to the
Hanoi Hilton
??? and
? who is? to be respected for that, but that experience is just not
??? applicable
? to? the job he is seeking, particularly after leaving his first
wife who

stood by a? Navy POW Aviator during his confinement in the PRVN,  

but

was
??? then
? enticed by the? riches of his second wife, who performs the same
duties
??? for him as
? Ms.? Heinz-Kerry does for her former sailr?

Votes for any other third party are "throw-a-ways" that will do no
good,
??? so
? it is once again a choice of the lesser of two evils a vote
AGAINST a
candidate? rather than FOR one.

And where do we stand financially? According to B. Hussein I am
wealthy,
??? and

? according to his opponent I shall never achieve that status. If  

it

were
??? only
? a field of four in which one could choose to vote for POTUS by
giving
??? him/her

?? the highest number of votes and for V-POTUS by giving him/her  

the

second
highest? number of votes. I would predict a Palin victory for the
highest
??? office
? of the? land and who knows perhaps Command McManchuria might come
in as
V-POTUS.

I am, today, really glad to be retired from my first primary
occupation as
??? I
? am not certain that I could respond in the affirmative to the
question as
??? to
? whether or not I would "take a bullet" for any of them. I was a
simple

question? when Ronald Reagan was alive and well serving as POTUS  

but

??? self-interest
? most? probably would have prevailed (except during the period
immediately
following? 9/11).

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/18/2008 5:16:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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OK, Time? to vent, I'm just a simple little guy

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New 430 "futures"	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Adam (flatcrankgmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:52:59 -0700 (PDT)