Ferrari Mailing List: Re: New 430 "futures"

[Adam (flatcrank]

On Sep 21, 2008, at 5:54 AM, clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net wrote:

> Good assesment Charles
> But the Calif Car will smack the 430 hard

You're expecting the California to cut into 430 resale values?

> I would get the F1 gear box that's what they use on the grid

I imagine in fact the F1 car 'box is entirely unlike and different  
from the F430 "F1" box.  I don't know, but I doubt there's much more  
than a resemblance between the two.  It would be interesting to learn  
more -- certainly the Scuderia 'box is amazing (until you drive the  
dual-clutch "PDK" 'box that Porsche just put in the 911 ... that 'box  
is beyond amazing ... I guess you'd say it's amazingly amazing. : )

> The sheilds is a must

Shields up, captain.

> Anything else you are just throwing money that will never be  
> recouped in a resale
>
> My thoughts
>
> PS less is more!

I'm all for the "less is more" approach, especially if I go with a  
coupe.  And anything I can do with the factory to lighten the car will  
be open to consideration (brake rotors, wheels, seats, cabin trim,  
exhaust?, Scuderia nose ?? )

I don't expect to do anything too indulgent or over the top (no  
contrast yellow stitching for me) but I do want to make this a "1 of  
1" car (without being too contrived.)


Thanks.


> Clyde
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Charles Perry" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:55:54
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New 430 "futures"
>
>
> I don't have the means to order a new car, but I can tell you that
> Ferraris are no longer made in small enough numbers as to be
> depreciation resistant like they used to be. As such, I would order  
> the
> car the way you want it and just deal with what the residual value is
> when the time comes. Trying to guess the market is an interesting, but
> futile exercise. That said, you've mentioned custom paint, so  
> understand
> that outside of the main resale colors (red, yellow, black),  
> anything is
> a tougher sell when the time comes. Blues and silvers seem OK, but  
> color
> preferences are cyclical and if you do something weird be prepared to
> take the hit later.
>
> I do think a 6-speed will be harder to resell, but I also think it's
> more enjoyable and involving. A coupe will probably be more rare  
> than a
> spider, and so a little more valuable, but only to people with similar
> interests as yours. A coupe is a better car for track use if only
> because some clubs/circuits/events will only let you run the highest
> speed groups if you have a coupe or a full roll-cage in a spider.
>
> Don't worry about getting extra factory wheels. The Challenge cars all
> pretty much use Speedlines and you can order those direct for a lot  
> less
> money. I do like the idea of getting some Scuderia parts put on it,  
> but
> don't honestly know how indulgent the customization program will let  
> you
> get.
>
> The California probably will temporarily push up 430 values. The way
> Ferrari things go is that some guy who has never wanted a new Ferrari
> before sees the New Model Y and gets the bug. He goes to the dealer,
> finds out there is a 2-4 year wait for the new car (as you probably
> did), and then either (A) decides to go ahead and buy slightly used
> Model X on the floor (in this case a 430) because he can't wait to
> satisfy his Ferrari craving while he waits or (B) the dealer  
> "suggests"
> that buying used car Model X that is currently on the floor would
> favorably increase his position on the wait list for the model he
> actually came for. Once enough New Model Ys are in the marketplace,  
> this
> artificial bump goes back down in a hurry, until the cycle repeats.
>
> You're quite late to the 430 game (through no fault of your own I'm
> sure), so you've missed the "buy it, drive it for a few months, and  
> sell
> it for a nice bump" timing. It is therefore my suggestion to order the
> car exactly as YOU want it, drive it as much as humanly possible to
> maximize the enjoyment/depreciation ratio, and then worry about car #2
> later. Maintain the car properly while it's in your care and there  
> will
> always be a good secondary market for it.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> -- charles
> -- 87 Testarossa
> -- 98 355 Spider
> -- 99 Diablo VT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam [mailto:flatcrank [at] gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:53 PM
> To: Charles Perry
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] New 430 "futures"
>
>
>
> This turns out to be a pretty long email, so if you're not  
> interested in
> 430 ordering, options and prices, here is my effort to save you the
> time. : )
>
> After some considerable wait time, I now have the offer to order a  
> 430.
> The journey begins.
>
> To finalize the order specifications, I'd like to ask for advice and
> call upon the collective wisdom (yes, that means some of you shouldn't
> reply ... you know who you are ... : ) of the list.
>
> Almost all of my questions really pertain to an "informed" decision,  
> but
> one primary question is meant to help me go from newcomer, to savvy  
> old
> hand: "What have you seen in other cars or ordered for yourself from
> Ferrari that you would recommend?"  I mean, aside from shields or
> Scuderia stripes or perhaps a yellow tach or carbon trim and sports
> seats, I'm looking for unique things that only the experienced owners
> even know exist.  I'm tempted by special, limited availability paint,
> but I'm also looking for savvy advice or ways to get things to happen
> (like Scuderia seats?) that might not be offered up to a new customer
> like myself unless I do my homework and know how to ask the right
> questions.  I'm tempted to get some, let's say, "froufrou" options
> (luggage or carbon trim ... this is my first Ferrari ... I'm  
> prepared to
> get a little indulgent!) and I imagine the factory delivery won't be  
> as
> affordable as Porsche makes it for example, but perhaps there's also
> options now offered by Ferrari's customization programs (no, I can't
> afford to redesign the whole car in a wind tunnel) that I just don't
> know about and the dealer is postponing my efforts to raise these
> questions or share any of this information until they're ready to
> proceed with the order.  I don't understand why they hold their  
> cards so
> close to their chest, so to speak, and it really puts me off the whole
> business of dealing with the vagaries and nonsense, but so it goes and
> I'm prepared to curb my "bull at a gate" impulses and try to be a  
> "good
> customer" because this is meant to be my first -- not my last --
> Ferrari.
>
> So, let's get on with the questions:
>
> 1. Will a car ordered this month or perhaps next month (Oct) be an '09
> model year -- when's Ferrari's cut-over?
> 2. Will CCBs add value on resale or make the car easier or harder to
> sell?
> 3. Will a 6-spd manual be easier or harder to sell?
> 4. Will a 6-spd manual be one of the last times Ferrari puts this
> transmission in any car?
> 5. Will a coupe hold value or appreciate/depreciate much the same as a
> spider?
> 6. Will the coming California Spider and GT tend to push up 430 resale
> values?
>
>
> Yes, mostly my questions are about the on-going value of the car.  I  
> see
> this car (my first Ferrari ... and I've patiently waited to order a  
> new
> car and take delivery at the factory rather than buy a second- hand  
> car
> that someone else ordered even if it's all but exactly how I would  
> order
> it for myself) as the first stepping stone towards a relationship with
> the dealer and while I'm ordering the car to my specifications for my
> enjoyment (mostly as a track car) I want to reassess my own opinion on
> these aspects related to resale.  As the 430 approaches its end of  
> life,
> I could well decide to keep it if Ferrari decides to no long offer a
> manual gearbox (I think this is at least a possibility because of the
> predominance of F1 gearbox cars and the forthcoming double clutch
> gearboxes making the manual just a tiny bit less important other  
> than to
> purists ... not that I count myself as a purist, but in buying my  
> first
> Ferrari, I want the more intimate experience of the manual gearbox and
> I'm less worried about whether my lap times are a few tenths better  
> here
> or there.)  I'm still waiting for a Scuderia, but at this late stage,
> I've likely missed the boat and I'm happy enough to console myself  
> with
> the thought of a dual- clutch Scuderia in my future. : )
>
> If you've taken delivery of a car at the factory, I'm keen to hear  
> more
> of what you've learned and what you'd do next time.
>
> Again, for the 430 order, I'll be choosing the paint, wheels and cabin
> to my tastes.  I've already run into a few surprises (it's apparently
> not possible to order the car with a second set of wheels from the
> factory -- this has to happen through a parts order) so I expect I've
> only just begun to learn what's in store for newcomers like me.  Is it
> possible to order (from the factory or as spare parts, the "face lift"
> items to bring a "normal" 430 up to the Scuderia appearance ... the  
> new
> nose is a much better rendition of the 430 in my opinion.)  I'll  
> likely
> go with a coupe because it's a track car, but if there's overwhelming
> favor for the Spider, for all intents and purposes, I'll be just as
> happy to have the spider knowing that it's a car that my wife will be
> simply overjoyed to see arrive.  Neither of us would ever be seen
> "arriving" at work in such a splendid machine, but at least on the
> weekends, we can enjoy it and make a trip along the coast and the
> occasional speeding ticket all the more worth the fare.
>
> By the way, I should add that I'm overjoyed to finally be getting a  
> 430.
> I bided my time through the 360 (much as I lusted after the car, I
> couldn't justify the finances or the distraction from my work.)  I
> missed out of the Challenge Stradale.  I've waited quite some time to
> finally order my own car since the 430 first came into sight.  If  
> money
> can't buy me love -- and I don't let myself forget how lucky I am to
> have my wife and children give me that precious gift -- this is
> certainly a close second. : )
>
> I look forward to any and all advice.
>
>
> Adam
>
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