Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing TheirGood Looks? )

[LarryT (l02turner]

I think I heard obama plans to allow illegal aliens to collect SS benefits - 
is that true?

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing 
TheirGood Looks? )


> This is far from scientific, but go sit in your local Social Security 
> office
> for an hour and people-watch at who is in there to pick up benefits, or
> complain about their benefits being cut, etc. I had to sit in one here for
> two hours a couple weeks ago for a replacement SS card. There sure seemed
> like a lot of able-bodied people in there collecting disability and
> welfare...
>
> SJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Fleischer [mailto:themightytoe [at] gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:17 PM
> To: Steve Jenkins
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing 
> Their
> Good Looks? )
>
> OK
>
> So your lack of compassion is showing here...
>
> No its not your fault, and maybe it wasn't  Mr DD's choice to not get an
> education, or go to school or hone his skills...  Maybe the guy just
> isn't equipped for doing much more than digging a ditch for a living?
>
> It sounds like there is a feeling here that people getting help from the
> Government are miscreants spending on beer or committing fraud.  And I
> am sure there are cases of that.  I just can't believe that it is
> everyone who benefits from the system, you may believe it, but I do not.
>
> Also I checked:   Total budget for 2008 5237 Billion.  Spent on
> welfare:  ~450 Billion (8.5%)...  The government spends twice that
> amount on health care and nearly twice that amount on pensions.  So down
> with the sick and the old I say!  They all would think my Ferrari is
> ugly anyhow...
>
>
> Ric Rainbolt wrote:
> > At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I fully agree our system is not fair and it really is a form of charity
> > > to a large extent, no question.  It seems the arguments here are based
> > > on just the numbers, but what is missing here is any compassion for your
> > > fellow man.  Sure I work hard to provide for my family and I worry about
> > > their financial security and future but I also recognize that I live in
> > > a society with other people and reading this I recall an old adage my
> > > parents used to tell me: "the world needs ditch diggers too"...
> >
> > And therein is the basis of the problem. This is a worldwide epidemic
> > of misconception, IMHO.
> >
> > Compassion for my fellow man is NOT to support someone who doesn't
> > bother to get an education, or bother to not drink beer that costs
> > more than his gross wages. Is it MY fault that he's a ditch digger?
> > Perhaps I spent years honing my profitable technical skills while he
> > skipped school and drank his way into his situation? Now I'm
> > literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds or lack of proactive foresight.
> >
> > It should for ME to decide when to allow the gift of charity to
> > emanate from MY compassion. I do NOT want to have money taken BY
> > FORCE by large bureaucracy and given willy-nilly to whoever makes up
> > the best boo-hoo sob story. I've lived around and worked with MANY
> > fully able-bodied individuals that were taking money from the system
> > via systematic fraud (workmans comp, Medicare, etc.). Then there's
> > the whole part about federal funding for all kinds of crap that I
> > would NEVER EVER support if given a choice in the matter. I give many
> > thousands to charities each year... ones of MY choosing.
> >
> > There is NO charity in someone taking my money to give to someone
> > else (and in many cases, keep some for themselves for being so
> > righteous). That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt complex. Far
> > too common.
> >
> > RR
> >
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