Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling onTuesday)
From: red5hilser (red5hilseraol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:28:13 -0800 (PST)
Would love to see a pix of it.? --? Bubba


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sherman 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling onTuesday)



Cars not being around I have to agree with you. But my house built in 1979 
has 1 foot concrete walls and roof with 1 1/8 inch rebar. 3700 sqr feet 
tornado proof, worry free sleep in torando alley priceless. During 
construction not 1 but 2 full size bulldozers were parked on the roof. The 
only downside is that I have to mow my roof in the spring, summer and fall.
Stephen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
Cc: "Ferrari list" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling 
onTuesday)


> Great points Phil.  Unless its been put out to pasture, in a junk yard or 
> worse, cars from the '40s - '70s are still around.  Fifty years from now, 
> how many cars from the 2000-2010 era will still be around.  Today's cars 
> seem to be more throw-away than ever before.  I see the same thing with 
> houses.  Houses built at the turn of the (last) century are still 
> structurally sound.  Will he houses built today be around in 100 years?  I 
> think not.  Houses from the '70s, using 'modern construction techniques' 
> are falling apart.  I guess the point is; the life expectancy of about 
> everything built today is much shorter than it was is days past.  What 
> does that say for our children's world if for some unforeseen reason, 
> modern construction (of anything) declines?
>
> Whoa!  Must be Thursday...
>
> rick
>
> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
>
>> From: philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on 
>> Tuesday)
>> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "Ferrari list" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:16 AM
>> Fellow old mans club member............memories are
>> incredible, and,
>>    at the rate we are going, they may be all that we have
>> left.
>>
>>    Last time I checked there were at least 15
 domestic auto
>> manuf. that
>>    have gone out of bus. since WW II...........
>>
>>    Will we be adding a couple more in the near
>> future.......
>>
>>    We used to say tings like "man my old mans Hudson
>> had a back seat so
>>    wide that I could" you fill in the blank,
>> ........what will our grand
>>    kids be saying 25 years from now some thing like "
>> I keep hearing
>>    about how great my grandads Impala SS was, but I've
>> never seen one."
>>
>>    Oh well.
>>
>>    Phil
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: red5hilser [at] aol.com
>>    Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 7:39 pm
>>    Subject: [Ferrari] Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old
>> man rambling on
>>    Tuesday)
>>    To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>>    Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>>    > OK, I'll have to admit that the most fun and
>> best car that I've
>>    > ever owned and driven was my '53 Jaguar XK120MC
>> that I bought in
>>    > late 1957, just?two years out of high school for
>> $1995.00. In
>>    > American racing colours, white with blue racing
>> stripes, with
>>    > grey blue leather bucket seats. Oh, yea, it had the
>> Rudge knock-
>>    > off wheels too. Sharp!
>>    >
>>    > I'd seen Kirk Douglas in 'The Racers' a
>> few months earlier, and
>>    > that film gave me the bug. I was working at a paper
>> in Newport
>>    > Beach, making $2.25 an hour and saving for college.
>> I'm not
>>    > saying that things were cheap back then, But I had
>> a 1 bedroom
>>    > apt. on 45th St, a block from the ocean that cost
>> me $70 a month.
>>    >
>>    > Things were way different back then and I used to
>> do my weekly
>>    > grocery shopping at Richards Lido Market for less
>> than $20 a
>>    > week. Another thing that was different was that
>> occasionally I'd
>>    > be in the checkout line with John Wayne, just like
>> some ordinary
>>    > Joe Blow! He lived a few blocks away on Lido Isle.
>> Hell, the
>>    > ocean was so close that I'd go surf fishing
>> before work!
>>    >
>>    > The Duke (Marion Mo
rrison from Glendale in real
>> life) played
>>    > football with my uncle, Jesse T. Hill at USC back
>> in the late
>>    > 1920's before he became a star in Hollywood,
>> along with Ward
>>    > Bond. Interesting story about the Duke at USC,
>> seems like one
>>    > year the Trojans were National Champions, but the
>> coach, Gloomy
>>    > Gus Henderson, I think, wouldn't let the team
>> play in the Rose
>>    > Bowl. Seems like the Duke and some of the rest of
>> the team were
>>    > arrested at?Clara Bow's estate during some orgy
>> one night. As
>>    > they say in 2008, MY BAD!
>>    >
>>    > Uncle Jesse later played MLB for both the old NY
>> Yankees and
>>    > Washington Senators before becoming the head
>> Football Coach and
>>    > AD at USC. He hired John McKay as head football
>> coach in one of
>>    > his wiser moves..
>>    >
>>    > Anyway, in 1958, any foreign car, even in L.A.?was
>> as scarce as
>>    > pork chops at a Jewish wedding. I counted 14
>> foreign cars on a
>>    > Sunday trip from Newport Beach to Pasedena, where
>> my grandmother
>>    > lived. And that included VWs, All Japanese, French,
>> English and
>>    > Italian too.
>>    >
>>    > The L.A.-Hollywood, Orange County Sports Car racing
>> community
>>    > was so small at that time, that there was a little
>> Racing Bar
>>    > called The Checkered Flag, out in the Valley that
>> showed amateur
>>    > racing films every Tuesday night. All the local
>> racers showed up
>>    > and it wouldn't be unusual to see Dennis
>> Hooper, Lance
>>    > Reventlow, Ronnie Burns (George & Gracie's
>> son), George Follmer,
>>    > Bruce Kessler, Richie Ginther?and the rest of them
>> at a nearby
>>    > table. drinking beer and enjoying the 16mm films.
>>    >
>>    > Ach, the memories, yer pal Bubba
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > -----Original Message-----
>>    > From: pokiebaron
>>    > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] [Mgs] Best car I've
>> driven (A.K.A. Old
>>    > man rambling on Tuesday
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > Most fun car I ever drove 
was an English spec
>> '79 911
>>    > Targa.  No car I've
>>    > drive has rewarded me so quickly for doing
>> something right, or
>>    > punished me
>>    > equally as fast for doing something wrong. lol.
>> Having the
>>    > wheel on the
>>    > other side and the pedals more offset than in a
>> left hand drive
>>    > car just
>>    > added to the fun, and challenge.  I liked it so
>> much, I'm
>>    > buying it.
>>    >
>>    > Worst, was a tie between a friends Range Rover, or
>> Honda
>>    > Civic.  Range Rover
>>    > always felt like the body was going in one
>> direction, and
>>    > everything under
>>    > it, in another.  The Civic, is the only car
>> I've ever
>>    > scared myself in!
>>    >
>>    > Current cars,
>>    >
>>    > '88 300E
>>    > '80 911SC
>>    > '94 Sunbird... I have to store my tools
>> somewhere. hee hee
>>    >
>>    > Ed
>>    >
>>    > 2008/12/2 Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>>    >
>>    > > Great list Murry.  Instead of kicking Miatas
>> (which only
>>    > happened on the MG
>>    > > list, BTW ;-) this whole thread started with
>> the most-fun-to-
>>    > drive car
>>    > > comment.  For me, it was an '89 BMW 325iS.
>>  The
>>    > worst of them all was a
>>    > > Phymouth Arrow.  Bought it new, broke a timing
>> belt 3-
>>    > weeks after taking
>>    > > delivery.  The car sat at the dealer for 3
>> months waiting
>>    > for parts.  Never
>>    > > ran worth a flip after the dealer's
>> repair.  Kept it only
>>    > a year.  Sadly, I
>>    > > was a green kid and didn't know my rights
>> with regard to
>>    > defective products.
>>    > >  I ate the loss.
>>    > >
>>    > > So there you have it.  From a guy with two
>> Ferraris in
>>    > the garage, the best
>>    > > car I've driven was a BMW and the worst a
>> Plymouth (Mitsubishi).
>>    > >
>>    > > rick
>>    > > PS: I really loved my Series II XJ6 too.
>>    > >
>>    > >
>>    > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Murray Arundell
>> <arundell [at] ghs.com.au> wrote:
>>    > >
>>    > > > From: Murray Arundell
>>
 <arundell [at] ghs.com.au>
>>    > > > Subject: Re: [Mgs] Best car I've
>> driven (A.K.A. Old man
>>    > rambling on
>>    > > Tuesday
>>    > > > To: "Steve"
>> <temporarilyoffline [at] gmail.com>
>>    > > > Cc: "Rick Lindsay"
>> <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>, "MGS"
>>    > <mgs [at] autox.team.net>,> "IPOG"
>> <ponton [at] yahoogroups.com>,
>>    > "ferrari" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>    > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:03 PM
>>    > > > Some standout non MG cars in my past, in
>> no particular
>>    > > > order:-
>>    > > >
>>    > > > Fiat 125s c/w close ratio 5-speed, twin
>>    > cam motor, Abrath
>>    > > > Wheels.  My
>>    > > > first real car.  Loved it, thrashed it
>> and eventually
>>    > > > wrecked it.
>>    > > > Should really buy another while I still
>> can.
>>    > > > VW Gold GLi.  Lovely sweet cat, brilliant
>> dynamics but I
>>    > > > had warranty
>>    > > > issues with dealer which soured the
>> owning experience.
>>    > > > Alfa 33Ti.  Brilliant but flawed car.
>> When it all
>>    > worked> > properly and
>>    > > > you were blasting through that mountain
>> pass life was
>>    > > > bliss.  However
>>    > > > these periods were interspersed with
>> reliability and build
>>    > > > quality
>>    > > > problems.  The day it was sold was a
>> bitter sweet day.
>>    > > > Glad it was
>>    > > > out of my life, but there was that
>> lingering feeling that I
>>    > > > would miss
>>    > > > it and I did.
>>    > > > Jaguar Sovereign Double Six Saloon.
>> Bought new and at the
>>    > > > time "the
>>    > > > best Saloon in the World".
>>    > > > Holden Commodore SLE 5.0. (A GM product)
>> Another one bought
>>    > > > new.
>>    > > > Fitted with a 308ci V8 and four speed
>> gearbox.  In 78 these
>>    > > > were the
>>    > > > bees knees in Australia.  Went like the
>> clappers, actually
>>    > > > went around
>>    > > > corners too.  Had air-con and all the
>> power bits and
>>    > > > pieces.  Flogged
>>    > > > it unmercifully and nothing ever broke.
>> It was a very
>>    > > > sat
isfying
>>    > > > drive.  Sadly subsequent Commodores never
>> quite cut it like
>>    > > > this one
>>    > > > did.
>>    > > > 1963 Holden Premier.  179 ci six
>> cylinder.  My
>>    > first car, I
>>    > > > loved it
>>    > > > then, would love one now.
>>    > > > 1977 VW Kombi Camper.  Slow, evil
>> handling and you could
>>    > > > not kill it a
>>    > > > stick.  Cant pass one on the road today
>> without wishing I
>>    > > > still had
>>    > > > it.....
>>    > > >
>>    > > > Murray Arundell
>>    > > > Brisbane Australia
>>    > > >
>>    > > > 49 MG-TC
>>    > > > 65 MGB-V8 (Historic Racer)
>>    > > > 98 MG-F v.v.c
>>    > > > 04 BMW RT1200 (only 2 wheels)
>>    > > > 06 Peugeot 407 sv (Whife's Wheels)
>>    > > > 08 Mercedes ML480
>>    > > >
>>    > > > On 03/12/2008, at 12:07 AM, Steve wrote:
>>    > > >
>>    > > > > I've got a '91 E30 AWD
>> model... I'll trade
>>    > > > ya.
>>    > > > >
>>    > > > > - Steve
>>    > > > >
>>    > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Rick
>> Lindsay
>>    > > > <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>>    > > > > wrote:
>>    > > > >
>>    > > > >> Hello Friends,
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >>  As I drove in to work t
>>    > oday in my '08
>>    > > > Mercedes C300, I finished a
>>    > > > >> test.
>>    > > > >> Over the past couple of days I
>> have driven every
>>    > > > car that I
>>    > > > >> presently own.
>>    > > > >> There are six of them in the
>> scuderia.  Okay,
>>    > > > okay, the ponton isn't
>>    > > > >> "drivable" but I did
>> start it and warm
>>    > > > it up last Sunday.  Anyway,
>>    > > > >> this test
>>    > > > >> was the continuation of the
>> 308GTB vs Mondial QV
>>    > > > comparison that I
>>    > > > >> did over
>>    > > > >> the weekend.
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >>  As STYX's "Too Much
>> Time on my
>>    > > > Hands" ended on the C300's
>> sounds
>>    > > > >> system I
>>    > > > >> realized that I have now owned
>> over sixty cars in
>>    > > > my tender 57 years,
>>    > > > >> ranging from a 1930 Chevrolet
>> Delu
xe to a 2008
>>    > > > Mercedes C300!  That
>>    > > > >> thought
>>    > > > >> led be to consider which of the
>> lot is my all-time
>>    > > > favorite to drive.
>>    > > > >> Here's the story and what I
>> concluded.
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >>  The most exciting car-related
>> moment I recall was
>>    > > > the day I picked
>>    > > > >> up my
>>    > > > >> 308GTB.  As I left Phil
>> Tegtmeyer's quiet,
>>    > > > supportive company I
>>    > > > >> thought to
>>    > > > >> myself, "I'm driving
>> Ferrari.  Oh my God,
>>    > > > I'm driving MY
>>    > > > >> Ferrari!!!"  I
>>    > > > >> guess the second most exciting
>> moment was when I
>>    > > > got my first
>>    > > > >> sports car at
>>    > > > >> the age of eighteen.  It was a
>> Fiat 850 Spyder.
>>    > > > Most beautiful car
>>    > > > >> I had
>>    > > > >> ever seen!
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >>  Flash forward to today and I
>> ask; Of all the cars
>>    > > > I have owned,
>>    > > > >> which one
>>    > > > >> was the overall most enjoyable
>> to drive?  The
>>    > > > answer surprised even
>>    > > > >> me. It
>>    > > > >> was my little bright red '89
>> BMW 325iS
>>    > > > coupe'.  The E30 cars feel
>>    > > > >> like
>>    > > > >> go-karts, light as a feather and
>> the 2.5 litre
>>    > > > "little six" is a
>>    > > > >> great
>>    > > > >> engine.  Hook that to a 5-speed
>> manual gearbox and
>>    > > > you get my all-
>>    > > > >> time
>>    > > > >> favorite.  Yea, I was surprised
>> too.  Wish I still
>>    > > > owned it.
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >> Happy Tuesday,
>>    > > > >>
>>    > > > >> rick
>>    > > > >> 2 x Ferrari
>>    > > > >> 2 x Mercedes
>>    > > > >> 1 x BMW
>>    > > > >> 1 x Land Rover
>>    > > > >>
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