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Bubba recalls "The only thing that I've seen similar (and was lucky enough 

to flog around Irwindale Raceway, was Mickey Thompson's 4-wheel drive, 

4-wheel steering Olds Toronado at a Press freeload). Doug, you were there, 

right?"

Ahhhh, yesh - one of the many great times Willi.  Yeah, Gary Congdon was to 

drive this thing - a Chevy powered 3 valve stock block - eat THAT Gurney and 

Ford.  Unfortunately, Congdon was killed in a sprint race - in those days, 

the mid 1960's, you didnt just crash - you died.  Yee Ha.

About that same time didn't we go to Riverside for the press day unveiling 

the Rex Mays Race to be held that December?  First time USAC cars were to go 

on a road course - well, since the olden days of F1 when Indy was one of the 

F1 races.  They tried running the road course counter clock-wise - no go. 

Even after opening up turn one to be a kinder and gentler turn - cars just 

wanted to spin out all over the track.  Ergo - they ran USAC, another first, 

clock wise.  Gurney ruled.

Onward
DOUG

----- Original Message ----- 

From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>

To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Stardust GP - A fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Hall's 'sucker car' was at Riverside. I'll never forget watching it 

navigate the 'esses' as if it was on railroad tracks. The only thing that 

I've seen similar (and was lucky enough to flog around Irwindale Raceway, 

was Mickey Thompson's 4-wheel drive, 4-wheel steering Olds Toronado at a 

Press freeload). Doug, you were there, right?

Indy? Der Frau always stayed at this Bed & Breakfast behind the Speedway 

Motel, just off 16th St. that was run by a member of the 'Indy Old Timers' 

Club. Quiet (except for that damned cannon going off every morning at 

6am!), clean, and only $85 a night. We could walk to the track in 10 

minutes. We did that the 1st year, but discovered that if you had a 

handicapped sign on your rental car, you could park in the museum parking 

lot for FREE! It was a 5 minute walk to our seats in Grandstand10. How 

could you beat that?

The F1 race at Ontario was the 'Quester Grand Prix' held in 1971. I'm 

looking at my 'All Access' Press Pass, even as I type. The Press Buffet 

was OUTSTANDING! I loved the chilled lobster, clams, the oysters on the 

half shell, and the prime rib carving station were hard to beat.

I wonder how the 'Great Unwashed' and the other heathens enjoyed their 

hotdogs and $5 beer down in the cheap seats ? Since Moet was a sponser of 

the race, that's what we had up in the 'Press Only Luxury Suite.' Beer 

seemd so, ... so... ordinary!

That's the year that I talked my son Willi and I onto the Goodyear Blimp 

for a ride20over the track during practice. I got a shot of Pedro 

Rodriguez, driving his Yardley BRM, his hands in a full opposite lock, 

while I was shooting straight down into the cockpit from the blimp.

The Blimp Pilot was so impressed with my line of bullshit, that he let 

Sonny and I drive the blimp for a while! I've still got my 'Official 

Goodyear Blimp Pilots' License and wallet ID Card.

Hey cLyDe . . . Eat yer heart out & 'check 6!' <g>

Yer pal, Capt'n Bubba

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Stardust GP - A fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Las Vegas was like Indy we missed only 1 year and that was because it was 

July 4th weekend (grandkids love my fireworks display) I digress we stay 

at Anderson instead of Indy $150 for the weekend. Las Vegas had a 3 nignt 

min.

I remember Hall's 'sucker' car but can't remember if it was at Riverside 

or Ontario.

I thnk the first big race at Ontario was the F1 vs Indy cars, in the first 

10 there was 7 F1 if I remember right.

I remember once at Willow Springs I had my crew docs and my 500mm f5 

mirror and worked my through cornor workers and ended up where I could 

fill the frame with flag man giving Sam Pontier

the checkers as he won the race (now I can't be sure if it was Willow) Sam 

was who I was pit crew for.

At Stardust, didn't spectators get Hall clear, I seem to remember it 

wasn't course workers.

Stephen

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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:27 AM

Subject: Stardust GP - A fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Stephen: Yea, GTS Doug and were there too, with working press passes of 

course. Hall ran into and flew over Lother Mochembacker (sp?) driving his 

Lola T-70 when Lother snapped a rear axle and stopped on the track like he 

hit a brick wall. Once upside down, Jim's large rear wing acted as a lift 

wing. He got so high in the air that I was going to give him a pair of 

Pilots Wings, but, ever the gentleman, Doug said it would be in poor 

taste, so no.

I think that Doug and I got to the scene just as they were lifting Hall 

out of what was left of his car. Jim's legs were folded up to his waist in 

front from the knees. I remember that his then wife, Sandy was there too 

and got into the ambulance with him.

Back in those days we were SO poor that Doug and I had to share one room 

with only one bed in it. As you can imagine, it got pretty cro wded in the 

middle of the night. Especially since we had our dates in the bed with us! 

<g>

Thank God that my Uncle Wilber didn't

come along that trip with his pet goat/fiance, Billi. Now that would have 

been a real circus. And speaking of circus' - my date Judy could do more 

tricks in a double bed than a tribe of monkeys could do on a 20 foot 

clothesline! Doug can back me up on that one. <g> No, really!

Oh, the hardships we had to go thru to see a Can-Am race! The Stardust 

Hotel was too cheap to spring for comp rooms, even for us poor, 

hardworking 'newsies', and we ended up in some sleazy Motel 3 1/2, just 

off the Strip! How low can those slimy 'Vegas corksoakers go?

The comp beer at the Press Tent was even domestic, not imported, like a 

Laguna Seca. And the free seafood buffet didn't even have any oysters on 

the half shell. Boy, I sure could have used a dozen or so when we got back 

to that one motel bed that night!

Ach, the memories, yer pal Ferrari Bubba

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Phil Hill's winning '59 Ferrari TR

I was in Las Vegas at the Stardust GP when Jim Hall had his big crash, 

just as a spectator. Had my kids with me and we ended up sleeping in the 

car as any rooms that were available were out of my budget. Not going to 

LBGPs is one of my biggest regrets.

I am sure we must have crossed paths, those were days when you could not 

only see but talk to the drivers.

Stephen

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S
ent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Phil Hill's winning '59 Ferrari TR

Riverside, Ontario, Willow Springs? I had working press/pit access passes 

to all those venues from the late '50s til most closed their doors. we 

must have crossed paths dozens of times. How about the LBGP or Las Vegas?

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

-----Original Message-----
From: stephen
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Phil Hill's winning '59 Ferrari TR

That gives a whole new meaning to 'blood red'!

I got to California Dec 66 and worked as a machinest at Pacific Pumps till 

I got 3 hernias in one year. A neighbor of mine had a 356 Porsche and I 

doubled as his pit crew and photographer (in 71

I won the Silver medal in the color division of the Nikon International 

Contest) , I became a freelance photographer (emphasis on free) and used 

my crew access at Riverside, Ontario and Willow Springs. B4 moving back to 

KS and taking up data processing.

Stephen
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To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: [Ferrari] Phil Hill's winning '59 Ferrari TR

I never met the old man, who fo unded Merle Norman Cosmetics I believe, 

but >I kept running into his son Jack in the late '50s. He bought several 

>Ferraris from John von Neumann when he got divorced, including Phil 

Hill's >Times GP winning '59 Ferrari TR 250. At the20time, I had 

press/photo passes >for the 1960 Palm Springs Road Races in early January, 

held out at the >airport. Jack was using the race as a tune-up for Sebring 

which was to be >held that April. On the grid, before the race I walked 

over to him sitting >in the car and started to bullshit with him about the 

car. I had my Nikon >SLR, and to ok a few shots of he and the car. He 

asked me to take some >action shots of him out on the track, and he would 

pay me. I did and he >did.

Being a newcomer to Ferraris and their lore, I asked Jack what color red 

 > the car was painted. He replied "Kotex Crimson," with a smile on his 

face. > How was I to know?

Later, after I bought MY Ferrari, I was looking thru the latest Cavallino 

 > and saw that they were doing a series of articles on the 250 TR. I > 

contacted them, and they wrote back and asked for copies of my photos for 

 > an upcoming update. I sent the one of Jack, proudly smiling at the 

camera > seated in his yet to be raced 250 TR. I kept looking for the 

update, but I > never saw it. I've got the serial number of the car 

somewhere, so if any > Tifosi want's it, I'll look it up.&nb sp;

BTW, Jack later bought a '61 Ferrari GTO that he used as a daily driver=2

0back and forth to UCLA, where he was attending at the time. Talk about > 

your 'Chick Magnet!'

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

-----Original Message----- 

From

: Itsme

Subject: Re: Exclusive Membership Invitation

I never even heard of the place. This is the place I am dying to get to.

http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/

“If an American is to amount to anything he must rely upon himself, and > 

not upon the State; he must take pride in his own work, instead of 

sitting > idle to envy the luck of others.”

Theodore Roosevelt

In a message dated 12/10/2008 2:57:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > 

whiteley9468 writes:

I have only seen photos and read articles about this collection. At one > 

time I think it had over 2300 vehicles!

has anyone ever been up there to see these cars?

-----Original Message----- 

From: LeMay - America's Car Museum <David.Madeira [at] lemaymuseum.org>&n bsp;

To: Tom Whiteley <whiteley9468 [at] aol.com>
Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 4:41 pm
Subject: Exclusive Membership Invitation

Dear Tom,

I would like to extend an exciting invitation to you. It is a unique > 

opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something I believe you will 

 > truly enjoy...and I have a special gift for you if you accept my > 

invitation.

For nearly a decade, a group of dedicated car lovers has been working > 

toward the building and opening of LeMay

- AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM®. Our plan > is stunning but simple:

Build a world-class facility to showcase the world's=2

0largest private automotive collection and to celebrate America's love > 

affair with the automobile.

For as little as $50, you can have unlimited access to the Museum for a > 

full year, which includes free admission to the annual Car Show and > 

Auction.

I'm proud to say that we have very nearly reached our goal. A perfect > 

location has been acquired in Tacoma, Washington. A stunning design has > 

been completed and we are getting close to breaking ground on the first > 

phase.

What about cars? Well, the LeMay collection is simply amazing . 

Automotive > enthusiasts will find plenty to capture their attention, 

from a 1916 > Pierce Arrow to '55 Chevy Bel Air and a 1927 LaSalle to a 

'63 split-window > Corvette. Frankly, the breadth and scope of this 

collection defies > description.

AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM® will include of 1,000 of these cars, along with a > 

3.5-acre multi-purpose Show Field, a Car Care Center, an Education 

Center, > along with Club rooms, meeting areas and20and banquet 

facilities. It will > all be part of a stunning architectural design that 

will serve as a > gathering place for automobile lovers from around the 

world.

For a limited time, if you join at the $75 Family level or higher, we’ll 

 > send you a copy of The Detailer’s Handbook as a special welco

me gift. This > full-color spiral-bound book is a must-have guide to car 

care – it’s a > $12.99 value, yours free when you join!

Please visit our website to view all of the exclusive benefits membership 

 > has to of

fer and take advantage of this unique invitation and become a Member > 

today. Simply click on the "BECOME A MEMBER" button or call 877-902-8490.

I promise you’re going to love being a member of AMERICA’S CAR MUSEUM!

Sincerely,

;

Dear Tom,

I would like to extend an exciting invitation to you. It is a unique > 

opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something I believe you will 

 > truly enjoy...and I have a special gift for you if you accept my > 

invitation.

For nearly a decade, a group of dedicated car lovers has been working > 

toward the building and opening of LeMay - AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM®. Our 

plan > is stunning but simple:

Build a world-class facility to showcase the world's largest private > 

automotive collection and to celebrate America's love affair with the > 

automobile.

For as little as $50, you can have unlimited access to the Museum for a > 

full year, which includes free admission to the annual Car Show and > 

Auction.

I'm proud to say that we have very nearly reached our goal. A perfect > 

location has been acquired in Tacoma, Washington. A

stunning design has > been completed and we are getting close to breaking 

ground on the first > phase.&nbs p;

What about cars? Well, the LeMay collection is simply amazing. Automotive 

 > enthusiasts will find plenty to capture their attention, from a 1916 > 

Pierce Arrow to '55 Chevy Bel Air and a 1927 LaSalle to a '63 

split-window > Corvette. Frankly, the breadth and scope of this 

collection defies > description.

AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM® will include of 1,000 of these cars, along with a > 

3.5-acre multi-purpose Show Field, a Car Care Center, an Education 

Center, > along with Club rooms, meeting areas and and banquet 

facilities. It will > all be part of a stunning architectural design that 

will serve as a > gathering place for automobile lovers from around the 

world.

For a limited time, if you join at the $75 Family level or higher, we’ll 

 > send you a copy of The Detailer’s Handbook as a special welcome gift. 

This > full-color spiral-bound book is a must-have guide to car care – it’s 

a > $12.99 value, yours free when you join!

Please visit our website to view all of the exclusive benefits membership 

 > has to offer and take advantage of this unique invitation and become a 

 > Member today. Simply click on the "BECOME A MEMBER" button or call > 

877-902-8490.

I promise you’re going to love being a member of AMERICA’S CAR MUSEUM!

Sincerely,

David L. Madeira
President and Chief Executive Officer

P.S. The Museum is a non-profit organization, so you can deduct the cost 

 > of your membership on your 2008 taxes if you join before December 31, > 

2008.

PO Box 1117 Tacoma, WA 98401

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whiteley9468 writes:

I have only seen photos and read articles about this collection. At one > 

time I think it had over 2300 vehicles!

has anyone ever been up there to see these cars?

-----Original Message----- 

From: LeMay - America's Car Museum <David.Madeira [at] lemaymuseum.org>

To: Tom Whiteley <whiteley9468 [at] aol.com>
Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 4:41 pm
Subject: Exclusive Membership Invitation

Dear Tom,

I would like to extend an exciting invitation to you. It is a unique > 

opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something I believe you will 

 > truly enjoy...and I have a special gift for you if you accept my in

vitation.

For nearly a decade, a group of dedicated car lovers has been working > 

toward the building and opening of LeMay - AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM®. Our 

plan > is stunning but simple:

Build a world-class facility to showcase the world's largest private > 

automotive collection and to celebrate America's love affair with the > 

autom obile.

For as little as $50, you can have unlimited access to the Museum for a > 

full year, which includes free admission to=2 0the annual Car Show and > 

Auction.0

I'm proud to say that we have very nearly reached our goal. A perfect > 

location has been acquired in Tacoma, Washington. A stunning design has > 

been completed and we are getting close to breaking ground on the first > 

phase.

What about cars? Well, the LeMay collection is simply amazing. Automotive 

 > enthusiasts will find plenty to capture their attention, from a 1916 > 

Pierce Arrow to '55 Chevy Bel Air and a 1927 LaSalle to a '63 

split-window > Corvette. Frankly, the breadth and scope of this 

collection defies > description.

AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM® will include of 1,000 of these cars, along with a > 

3.5-acre multi-purpose Show Field, a Car Care Center, an Education 

Center, > along with Club rooms, meeting areas and and banquet 

facilities. It will > all be part of a stunning architectural design that 

will serve as a > gathering place for automobile lovers from around the 

world.

For a limited time, if you join at the $75 Family level or higher, we’ll 

 > send you a copy of The Detailer’s Handbook as a speci

al welcome gift. This full-color spiral-bound book is a must-have guide 

to > car care – it’s a $12.99 value, yours free when you join!

Please visit our website to view all of the exclusive benefits membership 

 > has to offer and take advantage of this unique invitation and become a 

 > Member today. Simply click on the "BECOME A MEMBER" button or call > 

877-902-8490.

I promise you’re going to love being a member of AMERICA’S CAR MUSEUM!

Sincerely,

Dear Tom,

I would like to extend an exciting invitation to you. It is a unique > 

opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something I believe you will 

 > truly e njoy...and I have a special gift for you if you accept my > 

invitation.

For nearly a decade, a group of dedicated car lovers has been working > 

toward the building and opening of LeMay - AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM®. Our 

plan > is stunning but simple:

Build a world-class facility to showcase the world's largest private > 

automotive collection and to celebrate America's love affair with the > 

automobile.

For as little as $50, you can have unlimited access to the Museum for a > 

full year, which includes free admission to the annual Car Show and > 

Auction.

I'm proud to say that we have very nearly reached our goal. A perfect > 

location has been acquired in Tacoma, Washingt on. A stunning design has 

 > been completed and we are getting close to breaking ground on the first 

 > phase.

What about cars? Well, the LeMay collection is simpl

y amazing. Automotive enthusiasts will find plenty to capture their > 

attention, from a 1916 Pierce Arrow to '55 Chevy Bel Air and a 1927 > 

LaSalle to a '63 split-window Corvette. Frankly, the breadth and scope of 

 > this collection

defies description.

AMERICA'S CAR MUSEUM® will include of 1,000 of these cars, along with a > 

3.5-acre multi-purpose Show Field, a Car Care Center, an Education 

Center, > along with Club rooms, meeting areas and and banquet 

facilities. It will > all be part of a stunning architectural design that 

will serve as a > gathering place for automobile lovers from around the 

world.

For a limited time, if you join at the $75 Family level or higher, we’ll 

 > send you a copy of The Detailer’s Handbook as a special welcome gift. 

This > full-color spiral-bound book is a must-have guide to car care – it’s 

a > $12.99 value, yours free when you join!

Please visit our website to view all of the exclusive benefits membership 

 > has to offer and take advantage of this unique invitation and become a 

 > Member today. Simply click on the "BECOME A MEMBER" button or call > 

877-902-8490.

I promise you’re going to love bei ng a member of AMERICA’S CAR MUSEUM!

Sincerely,

David L. Madeira
President and Chief Executive Officer

P.S. The Museum is a non-profit organization, so you can deduct the cost 

 > of your membership on your 2008 taxes if you join before December 3 1, 

 > 2008.

PO Box 1117 Tacoma, WA 98401

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Sincerely,

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Re: Stardust GP - A fear and Loathing in Las Vegas	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Doug and Terri Anderson (dntdock.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:16:58 -0800 (PST)