Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Motor City Christmas Card

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

Bottom line is that the big 3 need to change there model
That's it in a nut shell 
From labor to cars front to back
We build the best fighter planes in the world and everyone wants them but no 
one wants our cars!

Clyde
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Lee S. Lingo" <LeesCars [at] comcast.net>

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:38:08 
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: 'The FerrariList'<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card


Erik, unfortunately, that's exactly the mentality I'm speaking about.
Everyone up North is not delusional.

The Southern states have done a great job keeping jobs in their states and I
applaud them for it.  Let's not overlook the amount of cash that they threw
at the foreign automakers to settle down there.  I sincerely hope that the
analysts are wrong, and that my gut is wrong.  But if I'm not, this will not
benefit the foreign automakers or American jobs.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:39 PM
To: Lee Lingo
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card

Take a look at the downgrades of their debt.  People started paying
attention in 2005, when things overall were still booming.

This is a problem that needs the reset button pushed, not more cash
thrown at it.  The southern states are calling it like they see it,
everyone up north is delusional...

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Rich <Rich355 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> A senator was citing  statistics at the hearings the other day , and this
> one really was shocking.
> I believe he cited that both Toyota and GM each sold 9 million vehicles
> worldwide in 2007 . The big difference was Toyota made a profit of
somewhere
> in the $ 17  Billion range, while GM lost around $ 36 Billion.
> Now trying to convinve anyone that GM  is losing money because the are not
> selling enough cars is laughable at best .
> Obviously there is a bigger culprit  in GM's losses than their car sales
> numbers.
>
> Rich
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Thursby" <david [at] thethursbys.net>
> To: "Rich" <rich355 [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
>
>
>> Seconded.
>>
>> Steve Jenkins wrote:
>>> As part-maker of the loan, I'm curious as to what is the collateral on
>>> the
>>> loan?
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of chapter 11 for the "big" three. It's doesn't mean they have
>>> to
>>> go out of business - it means they have to re-organize, they have
greater
>>> ability to strong-arm the unions (don't get me started on unions - they
>>> were
>>> necessary "back in the day" but have far outlived their necessity) and
>>> they
>>> can restructure some of their debt. Airlines who've done it (United,
>>> Delta,
>>> NWA) are all still alive and kicking. Of course, it didn't work for
Aloha
>>> Airlines - but staying in business is not the right of any organization,
>>> it's a privilege afforded it by its customers.
>>>
>>> SJ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lee S. Lingo [mailto:LeesCars [at] comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:25 AM
>>> To: Steve Jenkins
>>> Cc: 'The FerrariList'
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
>>>
>>> Yeah, this has been floating around for a month or so.  It's unfortunate
>>> that it plays to the stereotype that the "Southern Senators" are
>>> claiming.
>>> Sen.'s Bob Corker (TN), Mitch McConnell (KY), Jim Bunning (KY) and
>>> Richard
>>> Shelby (AL) are some of the more outspoken leaders of the anti-American
>>> sentiment where it pertains to the automotive industry.
>>>
>>> I know that it's a lot of political posturing, but I find it
unbelievable
>>> that they are pushing out the US Auto makers and feel that they are in
no
>>> need of assistance just because they have some foreign auto
>>> manufacturer's
>>> in their state.  Those manufacturers, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and
>>> Mercedes-Benz chose those locations because of intense lobbying by those
>>> states and the subsidies in taxes and such.  Those five manufacturers
all
>>> use parts vendors that also provide parts to the US auto makers.  If one
>>> or
>>> more of the US auto makers go down, their inability to pay their vendors
>>> will cause significant hardship, and most likely, closing of the vendors
>>> at
>>> least temporarily should sufficient credit be available which will in
>>> turn
>>> affect the foreign makers.  They're all tied together.
>>>
>>> And I'm sick to death of the term bailout being bandied back and forth.
>>> It's a bridge loan...
>>>
>>> Sorry Charles, but this issue REALLY gets my goat.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Charles Perry [mailto:charles [at] carolina-sound.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:20 AM
>>> To: Lee Lingo
>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Motor City Christmas Card
>>>
>>>
>>> Amusing, in a sad way...
>>>
>>> -- charles
>>>
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