Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: Comparing manual to auto trans on race track

[LarryT (l02turner]

IIRC, the PDK was used (and perfected for racing) in a 956/962 back in th 
80s where it won a major endurance race - can't remember any other details 
but remember seeing a article in Christo and Excellence.  Seems like the 
drivers enoyed it IIRC -

LarryT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian E. Buxton" <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Comparing manual to auto trans on race track


> Actually Porsche had an F1 style trans (a clutch/flywheel equipped
> vehicle that required no shift lever) back in the 70's but only used
> them in racing applications.  The reason the Tiptronic (electronically
> controlled auto) has been around so long is that Porsche could never get
> the original F1 style smooth enough for street use.  But they finally
> have the PDK out now and it is showing to be a superb piece of 
> engineering!
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> Michael James wrote:
>
> > Eh, everyone is 'in-love' with paddle-shift on the column now, it was only 
> > a matter of time before Porsche realized that F1-equipped Ferraris were 
> > whipping Porsche street cars through the gears regularly.  P had to copy F 
> > as a matter of pride/business or lose market-share to the 'faster' car. 
> > Ferrari's system appears to be superior in shift-speed and development. 
> > Anyone who says different can please show me the Porsche-designed Formula 
> > 1 car with paddleshifts.....
> >
> > But I'm also to understand that Lambo, F and P 'semi-auto' trannies all 
> > have a 'full-auto' mode as well, where the car requires no shifting input 
> > from the driver whatsoever and essentially operates like my Grandfather's 
> > Buick.  This is why we now have the Nu-Money, Paris Hiltons of the world 
> > bipping around Hollywood in Italy's latest when just ten years ago none of 
> > these tools knew how to drive these cars.....progress ain't always a 
> > 'good' thing, no?
> >
> > M
> >
> > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Comparing manual to auto trans on race track
> > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:55 AM
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Michael James
> > <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I think the article might be misleading because the Tiptronic 
> > > transmission,
> > > I recall, required a semi-auto engagement of 'up' or 'down' via the
> > > gearlever on the floor/console.  This required the driver to remove their
> > > hand from the wheel to shift, losing driver focus to fumble with a
> > > narrow-gated lever out of the field of view.  It is/was almost as bad
> > > as Ferrari's Valeo system - we all know how successful THAT was.
> > >
> > > I also recall the driver not having full-use of the rev range of the 
> > > engine
> > > with the Tiptronic tranny, when the revs reached a certain value, the car
> > > up/down shifted automatically regardless of driver intent as a matter of
> > > preservation, so taking the car to max-revs before shifting
> > > wasn't possible.  I never saw a Tip-equipped Porsche do well on the 
> > > re-sale
> > > market, and everything I've read or heard about them from owners said 
> > > 'shite
> > > box'....YMMV.
> > >
> > > M
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I'm with you on the hating of the porsche tiptronic and semi-autos in
> > general....but the amount of new 911 turbos sold with this "PDK"
> > transmission is staggering. I think it's something like 30-40%....a lot of
> > people have them.
> >
> > FG
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