Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct

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EXCELLENT words spoken here!

JIM

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>

To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them 

extinct

We should try to avoid political rants here but the theme of this thread 

involves our cars.  That makes it serious.  That makes it personal.

I am a life-long cynic.  Everything we see and everything we hear from 

government and from the media is stage managed.  The ignorant masses 

decide the fate of politicians, therefore, they are the ones who must be 

controlled.  This leads me to my bottom line.

It is not truth that hurts us.  It is perception that is dangerous - and 

perception is what the media manipulates.  A friend of mine who was an 

army captain in the Green Zone says it best, "Perception left unchecked, 

becomes reality."  It is our job to 'check' the perception.

rick

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:

From: philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them 

extinct

To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:50 PM
I think that on this list alone there is enough creative
talent to
   build a better mouse trap......
   bigger, better faster handles like a great car should
and even
   stopss shorter.and, with fuel economy that will make you
stop and
   wonder why it took so long......

   As they say think outside of the cylinder............
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rick <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:46 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's
: BO just made
   them extinct
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > We have had the General Motors EV1 Electric car as
a New
   > technology  that
   > everyone was supposed to go gaga over an buy
instead of a
   > gas car. Well it
   > flopped.
   > We have had GW  preachers telling us for over a
decade now
   > that we need to
   > stop using gas guzzling cars, then Al Gore jumps in
his suburban
   > and rushes
   > of to an airport to fly in his G-2 Kerosene
guzzling jet,
   > to another GW
   > conference somewhere around the globe. Meanwhile
his home in
   > Tenn  has a $
   > 30,000.00 a year electric bill that has to be
supplied by
   > Nuclear energy or
   > Coal burning power plants.
   > Now we have his protege BO eager to force us to
drive golf carts
   > with higher
   > fatality rates . Who cares about higher death rates
wen you are
   > saving so
   > much gas, right?
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "philville dejazzd.com"
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > Cc: "The FerrariList"
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:34 PM
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
SUV's : BO just made
   > them extinct
   >
   >
   > >
   > >   I say BS, if you all think that creative
thinking
   > has been encouraged
   > >   and allowed to produce what we want and what
we
   > need   then you need
   > >   to get your head out of the sand. There is
no
   > doubt in my mind that
   > >   the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at
highway
   > speeds comparable to our
   > >   current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg.
The
   > problem being that
   > >   those who control the technology are those
who did
   > not want this. Why
   > >   would they?
   > >
   > >   "Never did like the idea of govt
deciding what
   > kind of cars we'll
   > >   have.  If a
   > >   large part of the public wants electric cars
there
   > would be *someone*
   > >   producing them."
   > >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >   From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   > >   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm
   > >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
SUV's :
   > BO just made them
   > >   extinct
   > >   To: Phil Tegtmeier
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   > >   Cc: The FerrariList
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >   > the article said <<components
such as air
   > conditioners and
   > >   > power steering
   > >   > pumps are powered by electricity rather
than by
   > the engine,
   > >   > saving fuel.>>
   > >   >
   > >   > There's a cost associated with the
electricity
   > too - sounds like
   > >   > they're
   > >   > glossing over that little problem.  It
will
   > reduce the
   > >   > amount of gas savings
   > >   > significantly. IMO.   Maybe obama
   > could declare we
   > >   > smust all work at night
   > >   > and reduce our AC needs??
   > >   >
   > >   > Never did like the idea of govt
deciding what
   > kind of cars we'll
   > >   > have.  If a
   > >   > large part of the public wants electric
cars
   > there would be
   > >   > *someone*
   > >   > producing them.
   > >   >
   > >   > I wonder how long before they start
finding ways
   > to get rid of
   > >   > older cars?
   > >   >
   > >   > LarryT
   > >   >
   > >   >
   > >   >
https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp
   > >   >
   > >   > Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone
interested!
   > >   >
   > >   > ----- Original Message -----
   > >   > From: "Rick"
<Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > >   > To: "Larry Turner"
<l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   > >   > Cc: "The FerrariList"
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM
   > >   > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
SUV's :
   > BO just made them
   > >   > extinct
   > >   >
   > >   > > No dout banning  7 series
BMW's and
   > large Benz &
   > >   > lexus imports is next.
   > >   > > Coffin cars  with 2 stroke Brings
&
   > Stratton engines are
   > >   > coming your way
   > >   > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties
we criminals
   > that drive gas
   > >   > guzzling
   > >   > > sports cars will face under the BO
gestapo soon.
   > >   > >
   > >   > >
   > >   > >
   >
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html>
 > >
   > >   > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms
will have to
   > give up hulking
   > >   > SUVs.
   > >   > > Carpenters will still haul
materials around in
   > pickup trucks,
   > >   > but they
   > >   > > will cost more. Nearly everybody
else will
   > drive smaller cars,
   > >   > and more of
   > >   > > them will run on electricity. The
higher
   > mileage and emissions
   > >   > standards
   > >   > > set by the Obama administration on
Tuesday,
   > which begin to
   > >   > take effect in
   > >   > > 2012 and are to be achieved by
2016, will
   > transform the
   > >   > American car and
   > >   > > truck fleet.
   > >   > > The new rules would bring new cars
and trucks
   > sold in the
   > >   > United States to
   > >   > > an average of 35.5 miles per
gallon, about 10
   > mpg more than
   > >   > today's
   > >   > > standards. Passenger cars will be
required to
   > get 39 mpg,
   > >   > light trucks 30
   > >   > > mpg.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > That means cars and trucks on
American roads
   > will have to
   > >   > become smaller,
   > >   > > lighter and more efficient.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of
global
   > powertrain forecasting
   > >   > for the auto
   > >   > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in
Northville,
   > Mich., said the
   > >   > changes will
   > >   > > make pickup trucks so much more
expensive that
   > they will be
   > >   > used almost
   > >   > > exclusively for work.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > And instead of a minivan or SUV,
more parents
   > will haul their
   > >   > families in
   > >   > > much smaller vehicles with three
rows of seats
   > - something
   > >   > more like the
   > >   > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The
Mazda 5 gets
   > about 28 mpg on
   > >   > the highway.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "I think what you'll see
is a lot more
   > creativity in interior
   > >   > packaging,"
   > >   > > Fedewa said. "You'll get
more rows of seats
   > where you
   > >   > traditionally had
   > >   > > cargo space."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers
were
   > skeptical. Dixie Bishop,
   > >   > who runs a
   > >   > > plumbing business in San Antonio
that uses
   > vans, worries the
   > >   > new
   > >   > > requirements will drive up her
costs at a time
   > when customers
   > >   > are cutting
   > >   > > back on repairs.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "Are they going to take my
horsepower down?"
   > she asked. "I
   > >   > have to be able
   > >   > > to carry old water heaters and
toilets. It's
   > not beneficial
   > >   > for me to haul
   > >   > > one water heater at a time. We
need the power
   > to pull these
   > >   > heavy items."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The changes will start with
smaller cars and
   > trucks, and
   > >   > improvements to
   > >   > > the internal combustion engine,
Fedewa said.
   > Automakers also
   > >   > already
   > >   > > working on new technology,
including direct
   > fuel injection and
   > >   > high
   > >   > > compression of the air-fuel
mixture, that will
   > make cars and
   > >   > trucks more
   > >   > > efficient.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Car companies are rewiring
vehicles so
   > components such as air
   > >   > conditioners
   > >   > > and power steering pumps are
powered by
   > electricity rather
   > >   > than by the
   > >   > > engine, saving fuel.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > And they're developing
computer-controlled
   > transmissions with
   > >   > six or more
   > >   > > gears, adding efficiency, and
rolling out more
   > gas-electric
   > >   > hybrids -
   > >   > > among the few cars sold today that
meet the
   > 2016 standards.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Of course, developing the
technology will cost
   > money -
   > >   > billions of
   > >   > > dollars - and automakers will pass
that on to
   > their customers.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The Obama administration says the
changes mean
   > the average
   > >   > vehicle would
   > >   > > cost about $1,300 more, although
some private
   > analysts say the
   > >   > increase
   > >   > > will be much heftier. The
administration says
   > gas savings will
   > >   > make up the
   > >   > > difference in about three years.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Automakers have said they need
stable,
   > relatively high
   > >   > gasoline prices to
   > >   > > create a market for electric
vehicles. General
   > Motors fears
   > >   > rolling out
   > >   > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt
next year with
   > gas at $2 per
   > >   gallon.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > American consumers have already
shown their
   > car-buying habits
   > >   > can change
   > >   > > rapidly depending on gas prices.
When fuel
   > cost $4 a gallon
   > >   > last summer,
   > >   > > people flocked to smaller cars.
Gas is much
   > cheaper now, and
   > >   > sales of
   > >   > > hybrids have plummeted.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "The U.S. consumer has
consistently chosen
   > performance over
   > >   > fuel economy
   > >   > > given the relatively low cost of
fuel," David
   > Leiker, senior
   > >   > automotive
   > >   > > analyst for Robert W. Baird &
Co. in
   > Milwaukee, wrote in a
   > >   > note to
   > >   > > investors.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The Volt is designed to run 40
miles on
   > battery power when it
   > >   > is fully
   > >   > > charged. After that, a small
internal
   > combustion engine kicks
   > >   > in to
   > >   > > generate electricity and keep the
car going.
   > Other automakers
   > >   > are working
   > >   > > on similar systems.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > But the Volt is expected to sell
for $35,000
   > to $40,000, and
   > >   > buyers may be
   > >   > > unwilling to pay that much for a
sedan, even
   > if tax credits
   > >   > help ease the
   > >   > > burden, unless gas prices soar.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Rechargeable electric vehicles,
which under
   > government>   > calculations could
   > >   > > get 100 mpg or more, will help
automakers meet
   > the standards
   > >   > and offset
   > >   > > sales of larger, less-efficient
models.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Under Obama's plan, the sale
of of electric
   > vehicles and plug-
   > >   > in hybrids
   > >   > > could also generate "super
credits" that would
   > count as more
   > >   > than one
   > >   > > vehicle when an automaker
determines its
   > average fuel economy
   > >   > and
   > >   > > emissions figures.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The new rules cause manufacturers
"to
   > accelerate their
   > >   > technology plans,
   > >   > > probably a little more
aggressively than they
   > originally>   > thought," said
   > >   > > Tony Posawatz, who heads
development of the
   > Volt's technology.
   > >   > "For us, we
   > >   > > feel comfortable that we've
got choices."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Just a few years ago, GM and other
auto
   > executives were
   > >   > doubtful they
   > >   > > could meet even less stringent
standards, but
   > Posawatz said
   > >   > the technology
   > >   > > has changed since then, especially
with new
   > lithium-ion batteries.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > GM also is looking at electric
trucks, which
   > may bring them
   > >   > even closer to
   > >   > > the goals, he said.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it
planned to
   > launch as many as
   > >   > 10 new
   > >   > > hybrid models worldwide by early
2010, and it
   > plans to bring a
   > >   > new version
   > >   > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the
coming weeks.
   > Honda's new
   > >   > Insight hybrid
   > >   > > is already on sale in the U.S.
Mazda,
   > meanwhile, has said it
   > >   > plans to
   > >   > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and
more on
   > improvements to its
   > >   > basic
   > >   > > internal combustion engine.
   > >   > >
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Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Jim (jimshadowverizon.net)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT)