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From: Rick Lindsay (rolindsay yahoo.com)
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| Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:07:57 -0700 (PDT) | |
We should try to avoid political rants here but the theme of this thread involves our cars. That makes it serious. That makes it personal. I am a life-long cynic. Everything we see and everything we hear from government and from the media is stage managed. The ignorant masses decide the fate of politicians, therefore, they are the ones who must be controlled. This leads me to my bottom line. It is not truth that hurts us. It is perception that is dangerous - and perception is what the media manipulates. A friend of mine who was an army captain in the Green Zone says it best, "Perception left unchecked, becomes reality." It is our job to 'check' the perception. rick --- On Tue, 5/19/09, philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com> wrote: > From: philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them > extinct > To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:50 PM > I think that on this list alone there is enough creative > talent to > build a better mouse trap...... > bigger, better faster handles like a great car should > and even > stopss shorter.and, with fuel economy that will make you > stop and > wonder why it took so long...... > > As they say think outside of the cylinder............ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick <Forza355 [at] verizon.net> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's > : BO just made > them extinct > To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com> > Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > We have had the General Motors EV1 Electric car as > a New > > technology that > > everyone was supposed to go gaga over an buy > instead of a > > gas car. Well it > > flopped. > > We have had GW preachers telling us for over a > decade now > > that we need to > > stop using gas guzzling cars, then Al Gore jumps in > his suburban > > and rushes > > of to an airport to fly in his G-2 Kerosene > guzzling jet, > > to another GW > > conference somewhere around the globe. Meanwhile > his home in > > Tenn has a $ > > 30,000.00 a year electric bill that has to be > supplied by > > Nuclear energy or > > Coal burning power plants. > > Now we have his protege BO eager to force us to > drive golf carts > > with higher > > fatality rates . Who cares about higher death rates > wen you are > > saving so > > much gas, right? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "philville dejazzd.com" > <philville [at] dejazzd.com> > > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net> > > Cc: "The FerrariList" > <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your > SUV's : BO just made > > them extinct > > > > > > > > > > I say BS, if you all think that creative > thinking > > has been encouraged > > > and allowed to produce what we want and what > we > > need then you need > > > to get your head out of the sand. There is > no > > doubt in my mind that > > > the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at > highway > > speeds comparable to our > > > current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg. > The > > problem being that > > > those who control the technology are those > who did > > not want this. Why > > > would they? > > > > > > "Never did like the idea of govt > deciding what > > kind of cars we'll > > > have. If a > > > large part of the public wants electric cars > there > > would be *someone* > > > producing them." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm > > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your > SUV's : > > BO just made them > > > extinct > > > To: Phil Tegtmeier > <philville [at] dejazzd.com> > > > Cc: The FerrariList > <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > > > the article said <<components > such as air > > conditioners and > > > > power steering > > > > pumps are powered by electricity rather > than by > > the engine, > > > > saving fuel.>> > > > > > > > > There's a cost associated with the > electricity > > too - sounds like > > > > they're > > > > glossing over that little problem. It > will > > reduce the > > > > amount of gas savings > > > > significantly. IMO. Maybe obama > > could declare we > > > > smust all work at night > > > > and reduce our AC needs?? > > > > > > > > Never did like the idea of govt > deciding what > > kind of cars we'll > > > > have. If a > > > > large part of the public wants electric > cars > > there would be > > > > *someone* > > > > producing them. > > > > > > > > I wonder how long before they start > finding ways > > to get rid of > > > > older cars? > > > > > > > > LarryT > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp > > > > > > > > Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone > interested! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Rick" > <Forza355 [at] verizon.net> > > > > To: "Larry Turner" > <l02turner [at] comcast.net> > > > > Cc: "The FerrariList" > <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM > > > > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your > SUV's : > > BO just made them > > > > extinct > > > > > > > > > No dout banning 7 series > BMW's and > > large Benz & > > > > lexus imports is next. > > > > > Coffin cars with 2 stroke Brings > & > > Stratton engines are > > > > coming your way > > > > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties > we criminals > > that drive gas > > > > guzzling > > > > > sports cars will face under the BO > gestapo soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html> > > > > > > > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms > will have to > > give up hulking > > > > SUVs. > > > > > Carpenters will still haul > materials around in > > pickup trucks, > > > > but they > > > > > will cost more. Nearly everybody > else will > > drive smaller cars, > > > > and more of > > > > > them will run on electricity. The > higher > > mileage and emissions > > > > standards > > > > > set by the Obama administration on > Tuesday, > > which begin to > > > > take effect in > > > > > 2012 and are to be achieved by > 2016, will > > transform the > > > > American car and > > > > > truck fleet. > > > > > The new rules would bring new cars > and trucks > > sold in the > > > > United States to > > > > > an average of 35.5 miles per > gallon, about 10 > > mpg more than > > > > today's > > > > > standards. Passenger cars will be > required to > > get 39 mpg, > > > > light trucks 30 > > > > > mpg. > > > > > > > > > > That means cars and trucks on > American roads > > will have to > > > > become smaller, > > > > > lighter and more efficient. > > > > > > > > > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of > global > > powertrain forecasting > > > > for the auto > > > > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in > Northville, > > Mich., said the > > > > changes will > > > > > make pickup trucks so much more > expensive that > > they will be > > > > used almost > > > > > exclusively for work. > > > > > > > > > > And instead of a minivan or SUV, > more parents > > will haul their > > > > families in > > > > > much smaller vehicles with three > rows of seats > > - something > > > > more like the > > > > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The > Mazda 5 gets > > about 28 mpg on > > > > the highway. > > > > > > > > > > "I think what you'll see > is a lot more > > creativity in interior > > > > packaging," > > > > > Fedewa said. "You'll get > more rows of seats > > where you > > > > traditionally had > > > > > cargo space." > > > > > > > > > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers > were > > skeptical. Dixie Bishop, > > > > who runs a > > > > > plumbing business in San Antonio > that uses > > vans, worries the > > > > new > > > > > requirements will drive up her > costs at a time > > when customers > > > > are cutting > > > > > back on repairs. > > > > > > > > > > "Are they going to take my > horsepower down?" > > she asked. "I > > > > have to be able > > > > > to carry old water heaters and > toilets. It's > > not beneficial > > > > for me to haul > > > > > one water heater at a time. We > need the power > > to pull these > > > > heavy items." > > > > > > > > > > The changes will start with > smaller cars and > > trucks, and > > > > improvements to > > > > > the internal combustion engine, > Fedewa said. > > Automakers also > > > > already > > > > > working on new technology, > including direct > > fuel injection and > > > > high > > > > > compression of the air-fuel > mixture, that will > > make cars and > > > > trucks more > > > > > efficient. > > > > > > > > > > Car companies are rewiring > vehicles so > > components such as air > > > > conditioners > > > > > and power steering pumps are > powered by > > electricity rather > > > > than by the > > > > > engine, saving fuel. > > > > > > > > > > And they're developing > computer-controlled > > transmissions with > > > > six or more > > > > > gears, adding efficiency, and > rolling out more > > gas-electric > > > > hybrids - > > > > > among the few cars sold today that > meet the > > 2016 standards. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, developing the > technology will cost > > money - > > > > billions of > > > > > dollars - and automakers will pass > that on to > > their customers. > > > > > > > > > > The Obama administration says the > changes mean > > the average > > > > vehicle would > > > > > cost about $1,300 more, although > some private > > analysts say the > > > > increase > > > > > will be much heftier. The > administration says > > gas savings will > > > > make up the > > > > > difference in about three years. > > > > > > > > > > Automakers have said they need > stable, > > relatively high > > > > gasoline prices to > > > > > create a market for electric > vehicles. General > > Motors fears > > > > rolling out > > > > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt > next year with > > gas at $2 per > > > gallon. > > > > > > > > > > American consumers have already > shown their > > car-buying habits > > > > can change > > > > > rapidly depending on gas prices. > When fuel > > cost $4 a gallon > > > > last summer, > > > > > people flocked to smaller cars. > Gas is much > > cheaper now, and > > > > sales of > > > > > hybrids have plummeted. > > > > > > > > > > "The U.S. consumer has > consistently chosen > > performance over > > > > fuel economy > > > > > given the relatively low cost of > fuel," David > > Leiker, senior > > > > automotive > > > > > analyst for Robert W. Baird & > Co. in > > Milwaukee, wrote in a > > > > note to > > > > > investors. > > > > > > > > > > The Volt is designed to run 40 > miles on > > battery power when it > > > > is fully > > > > > charged. After that, a small > internal > > combustion engine kicks > > > > in to > > > > > generate electricity and keep the > car going. > > Other automakers > > > > are working > > > > > on similar systems. > > > > > > > > > > But the Volt is expected to sell > for $35,000 > > to $40,000, and > > > > buyers may be > > > > > unwilling to pay that much for a > sedan, even > > if tax credits > > > > help ease the > > > > > burden, unless gas prices soar. > > > > > > > > > > Rechargeable electric vehicles, > which under > > government> > calculations could > > > > > get 100 mpg or more, will help > automakers meet > > the standards > > > > and offset > > > > > sales of larger, less-efficient > models. > > > > > > > > > > Under Obama's plan, the sale > of of electric > > vehicles and plug- > > > > in hybrids > > > > > could also generate "super > credits" that would > > count as more > > > > than one > > > > > vehicle when an automaker > determines its > > average fuel economy > > > > and > > > > > emissions figures. > > > > > > > > > > The new rules cause manufacturers > "to > > accelerate their > > > > technology plans, > > > > > probably a little more > aggressively than they > > originally> > thought," said > > > > > Tony Posawatz, who heads > development of the > > Volt's technology. > > > > "For us, we > > > > > feel comfortable that we've > got choices." > > > > > > > > > > Just a few years ago, GM and other > auto > > executives were > > > > doubtful they > > > > > could meet even less stringent > standards, but > > Posawatz said > > > > the technology > > > > > has changed since then, especially > with new > > lithium-ion batteries. > > > > > > > > > > GM also is looking at electric > trucks, which > > may bring them > > > > even closer to > > > > > the goals, he said. > > > > > > > > > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it > planned to > > launch as many as > > > > 10 new > > > > > hybrid models worldwide by early > 2010, and it > > plans to bring a > > > > new version > > > > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the > coming weeks. > > Honda's new > > > > Insight hybrid > > > > > is already on sale in the U.S. > Mazda, > > meanwhile, has said it > > > > plans to > > > > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and > more on > > improvements to its > > > > basic > > > > > internal combustion engine. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription > options, please visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/l02turner%40comca > > st.net> > > > > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > > > > > and F1 Headlines > > > > > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, > please visit: > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/philville%40dejaz > > zd.com > > > > > > > > Sponsored by 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