Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just madethem extinct

(continued)

   Well put.  

+ Humans aren't addicted to oil.  They're addicted to ENERGY.

+ The failed economy wasn't caused by the banks or junk mortgages.  
  It was caused by people buying a bunch of shit they couldn't afford.

These are Great Truths of the Universe.

rick

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Steve Cook <stevec [at] cheatcodes.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Cook <stevec [at] cheatcodes.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just madethem 
> extinct
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 8:06 PM
> You're missing the point entirely...
> 
> The problem isn't with the manufacturers (well, they
> have problems, but
> this ain't it yet).  Instead of solving the
> "problem" (people using too
> much gas), they're going after the manufacturers - who
> are only building
> what customers WANT.
> 
> The correct solution is the go after the (alleged) problem
> - people
> using too much gas (in the government's opinion).  The
> direct solution
> would be to charge people more for gas (via taxes). 
> It's already PROVEN
> that when the price is higher, people use less and WANT
> more fuel
> efficient cars.  Instead they come up with crazy plans of
> more
> governmental and bureaucratic control using arbitrary and
> unproven
> numbers.  
> 
> -steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: philville dejazzd.com [mailto:philville [at] dejazzd.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: Steve Cook
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's :
> BO just madethem
> extinct
> 
> 
>    I think that on this list alone there is enough creative
> talent to
>    build a better mouse trap......
>    bigger, better faster handles like a great car should
> and even
>    stopss shorter.and, with fuel economy that will make you
> stop and
>    wonder why it took so long......
> 
>    As they say think outside of the cylinder............
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Rick <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>    Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:46 pm
>    Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's
> : BO just made
>    them extinct
>    To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>    Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>    > We have had the General Motors EV1 Electric car as
> a New
>    > technology  that
>    > everyone was supposed to go gaga over an buy 
> instead of a
>    > gas car. Well it
>    > flopped.
>    > We have had GW  preachers telling us for over a
> decade now
>    > that we need to
>    > stop using gas guzzling cars, then Al Gore jumps in
> his suburban
>    > and rushes
>    > of to an airport to fly in his G-2 Kerosene 
> guzzling jet,
>    > to another GW
>    > conference somewhere around the globe. Meanwhile
> his home in
>    > Tenn  has a $
>    > 30,000.00 a year electric bill that has to be
> supplied by
>    > Nuclear energy or
>    > Coal burning power plants.
>    > Now we have his protege BO eager to force us to
> drive golf carts
>    > with higher
>    > fatality rates . Who cares about higher death rates
> wen you are
>    > saving so
>    > much gas, right?
>    >
>    > ----- Original Message -----
>    > From: "philville dejazzd.com"
> <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>    > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>    > Cc: "The FerrariList"
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>    > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:34 PM
>    > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
> SUV's : BO just made
>    > them extinct
>    >
>    >
>    > >
>    > >   I say BS, if you all think that creative
> thinking
>    > has been encouraged
>    > >   and allowed to produce what we want and what
> we
>    > need   then you need
>    > >   to get your head out of the sand. There is
> no
>    > doubt in my mind that
>    > >   the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at
> highway
>    > speeds comparable to our
>    > >   current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg.
> The
>    > problem being that
>    > >   those who control the technology are those
> who did
>    > not want this. Why
>    > >   would they?
>    > >
>    > >   "Never did like the idea of govt
> deciding what
>    > kind of cars we'll
>    > >   have.  If a
>    > >   large part of the public wants electric cars
> there
>    > would be *someone*
>    > >   producing them."
>    > >   ----- Original Message -----
>    > >   From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>    > >   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm
>    > >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
> SUV's :
>    > BO just made them
>    > >   extinct
>    > >   To: Phil Tegtmeier
> <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>    > >   Cc: The FerrariList
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>    > >   > the article said <<components
> such as air
>    > conditioners and
>    > >   > power steering
>    > >   > pumps are powered by electricity rather
> than by
>    > the engine,
>    > >   > saving fuel.>>
>    > >   >
>    > >   > There's a cost associated with the
> electricity
>    > too - sounds like
>    > >   > they're
>    > >   > glossing over that little problem.  It
> will
>    > reduce the
>    > >   > amount of gas savings
>    > >   > significantly. IMO.   Maybe obama
>    > could declare we
>    > >   > smust all work at night
>    > >   > and reduce our AC needs??
>    > >   >
>    > >   > Never did like the idea of govt
> deciding what
>    > kind of cars we'll
>    > >   > have.  If a
>    > >   > large part of the public wants electric
> cars
>    > there would be
>    > >   > *someone*
>    > >   > producing them.
>    > >   >
>    > >   > I wonder how long before they start
> finding ways
>    > to get rid of
>    > >   > older cars?
>    > >   >
>    > >   > LarryT
>    > >   >
>    > >   >
>    > >   >
> https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp
>    > >   >
>    > >   > Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone
> interested!
>    > >   >
>    > >   > ----- Original Message -----
>    > >   > From: "Rick"
> <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>    > >   > To: "Larry Turner"
> <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>    > >   > Cc: "The FerrariList"
> <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>    > >   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM
>    > >   > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your
> SUV's :
>    > BO just made them
>    > >   > extinct
>    > >   >
>    > >   > > No dout banning  7 series
> BMW's and
>    > large Benz &
>    > >   > lexus imports is next.
>    > >   > > Coffin cars  with 2 stroke Brings
> &
>    > Stratton engines are
>    > >   > coming your way
>    > >   > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties
> we criminals
>    > that drive gas
>    > >   > guzzling
>    > >   > > sports cars will face under the BO
> gestapo soon.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > >
>    >
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html> 
>  > >
>    > >   > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms
> will have to
>    > give up hulking
>    > >   > SUVs.
>    > >   > > Carpenters will still haul
> materials around in
>    > pickup trucks,
>    > >   > but they
>    > >   > > will cost more. Nearly everybody
> else will
>    > drive smaller cars,
>    > >   > and more of
>    > >   > > them will run on electricity. The
> higher
>    > mileage and emissions
>    > >   > standards
>    > >   > > set by the Obama administration on
> Tuesday,
>    > which begin to
>    > >   > take effect in
>    > >   > > 2012 and are to be achieved by
> 2016, will
>    > transform the
>    > >   > American car and
>    > >   > > truck fleet.
>    > >   > > The new rules would bring new cars
> and trucks
>    > sold in the
>    > >   > United States to
>    > >   > > an average of 35.5 miles per
> gallon, about 10
>    > mpg more than
>    > >   > today's
>    > >   > > standards. Passenger cars will be
> required to
>    > get 39 mpg,
>    > >   > light trucks 30
>    > >   > > mpg.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > That means cars and trucks on
> American roads
>    > will have to
>    > >   > become smaller,
>    > >   > > lighter and more efficient.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of
> global
>    > powertrain forecasting
>    > >   > for the auto
>    > >   > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in
> Northville,
>    > Mich., said the
>    > >   > changes will
>    > >   > > make pickup trucks so much more
> expensive that
>    > they will be
>    > >   > used almost
>    > >   > > exclusively for work.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > And instead of a minivan or SUV,
> more parents
>    > will haul their
>    > >   > families in
>    > >   > > much smaller vehicles with three
> rows of seats
>    > - something
>    > >   > more like the
>    > >   > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The
> Mazda 5 gets
>    > about 28 mpg on
>    > >   > the highway.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > "I think what you'll see
> is a lot more
>    > creativity in interior
>    > >   > packaging,"
>    > >   > > Fedewa said. "You'll get
> more rows of seats
>    > where you
>    > >   > traditionally had
>    > >   > > cargo space."
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers
> were
>    > skeptical. Dixie Bishop,
>    > >   > who runs a
>    > >   > > plumbing business in San Antonio
> that uses
>    > vans, worries the
>    > >   > new
>    > >   > > requirements will drive up her
> costs at a time
>    > when customers
>    > >   > are cutting
>    > >   > > back on repairs.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > "Are they going to take my
> horsepower down?"
>    > she asked. "I
>    > >   > have to be able
>    > >   > > to carry old water heaters and
> toilets. It's
>    > not beneficial
>    > >   > for me to haul
>    > >   > > one water heater at a time. We
> need the power
>    > to pull these
>    > >   > heavy items."
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > The changes will start with
> smaller cars and
>    > trucks, and
>    > >   > improvements to
>    > >   > > the internal combustion engine,
> Fedewa said.
>    > Automakers also
>    > >   > already
>    > >   > > working on new technology,
> including direct
>    > fuel injection and
>    > >   > high
>    > >   > > compression of the air-fuel
> mixture, that will
>    > make cars and
>    > >   > trucks more
>    > >   > > efficient.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Car companies are rewiring
> vehicles so
>    > components such as air
>    > >   > conditioners
>    > >   > > and power steering pumps are
> powered by
>    > electricity rather
>    > >   > than by the
>    > >   > > engine, saving fuel.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > And they're developing
> computer-controlled
>    > transmissions with
>    > >   > six or more
>    > >   > > gears, adding efficiency, and
> rolling out more
>    > gas-electric
>    > >   > hybrids -
>    > >   > > among the few cars sold today that
> meet the
>    > 2016 standards.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Of course, developing the
> technology will cost
>    > money -
>    > >   > billions of
>    > >   > > dollars - and automakers will pass
> that on to
>    > their customers.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > The Obama administration says the
> changes mean
>    > the average
>    > >   > vehicle would
>    > >   > > cost about $1,300 more, although
> some private
>    > analysts say the
>    > >   > increase
>    > >   > > will be much heftier. The
> administration says
>    > gas savings will
>    > >   > make up the
>    > >   > > difference in about three years.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Automakers have said they need
> stable,
>    > relatively high
>    > >   > gasoline prices to
>    > >   > > create a market for electric
> vehicles. General
>    > Motors fears
>    > >   > rolling out
>    > >   > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt
> next year with
>    > gas at $2 per
>    > >   gallon.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > American consumers have already
> shown their
>    > car-buying habits
>    > >   > can change
>    > >   > > rapidly depending on gas prices.
> When fuel
>    > cost $4 a gallon
>    > >   > last summer,
>    > >   > > people flocked to smaller cars.
> Gas is much
>    > cheaper now, and
>    > >   > sales of
>    > >   > > hybrids have plummeted.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > "The U.S. consumer has
> consistently chosen
>    > performance over
>    > >   > fuel economy
>    > >   > > given the relatively low cost of
> fuel," David
>    > Leiker, senior
>    > >   > automotive
>    > >   > > analyst for Robert W. Baird &
> Co. in
>    > Milwaukee, wrote in a
>    > >   > note to
>    > >   > > investors.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > The Volt is designed to run 40
> miles on
>    > battery power when it
>    > >   > is fully
>    > >   > > charged. After that, a small
> internal
>    > combustion engine kicks
>    > >   > in to
>    > >   > > generate electricity and keep the
> car going.
>    > Other automakers
>    > >   > are working
>    > >   > > on similar systems.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > But the Volt is expected to sell
> for $35,000
>    > to $40,000, and
>    > >   > buyers may be
>    > >   > > unwilling to pay that much for a
> sedan, even
>    > if tax credits
>    > >   > help ease the
>    > >   > > burden, unless gas prices soar.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Rechargeable electric vehicles,
> which under
>    > government>   > calculations could
>    > >   > > get 100 mpg or more, will help
> automakers meet
>    > the standards
>    > >   > and offset
>    > >   > > sales of larger, less-efficient
> models.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Under Obama's plan, the sale
> of of electric
>    > vehicles and plug-
>    > >   > in hybrids
>    > >   > > could also generate "super
> credits" that would
>    > count as more
>    > >   > than one
>    > >   > > vehicle when an automaker
> determines its
>    > average fuel economy
>    > >   > and
>    > >   > > emissions figures.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > The new rules cause manufacturers
> "to
>    > accelerate their
>    > >   > technology plans,
>    > >   > > probably a little more
> aggressively than they
>    > originally>   > thought," said
>    > >   > > Tony Posawatz, who heads
> development of the
>    > Volt's technology.
>    > >   > "For us, we
>    > >   > > feel comfortable that we've
> got choices."
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Just a few years ago, GM and other
> auto
>    > executives were
>    > >   > doubtful they
>    > >   > > could meet even less stringent
> standards, but
>    > Posawatz said
>    > >   > the technology
>    > >   > > has changed since then, especially
> with new
>    > lithium-ion batteries.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > GM also is looking at electric
> trucks, which
>    > may bring them
>    > >   > even closer to
>    > >   > > the goals, he said.
>    > >   > >
>    > >   > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it
> planned to
>    > launch as many as
>    > >   > 10 new
>    > >   > > hybrid models worldwide by early
> 2010, and it
>    > plans to bring a
>    > >   > new version
>    > >   > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the
> coming weeks.
>    > Honda's new
>    > >   > Insight hybrid
>    > >   > > is already on sale in the U.S.
> Mazda,
>    > meanwhile, has said it
>    > >   > plans to
>    > >   > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and
> more on
>    > improvements to its
>    > >   > basic
>    > >   > > internal combustion engine.
>    > >   > >
>    >
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Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just madethem extinct	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Rick Lindsay (rolindsayyahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:12:20 -0700 (PDT)