Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct

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   I think that on this list alone there is enough creative talent to
   build a better mouse trap......
   bigger, better faster handles like a great car should and even
   stopss shorter.and, with fuel economy that will make you stop and
   wonder why it took so long......

   As they say think outside of the cylinder............
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rick <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:46 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made
   them extinct
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > We have had the General Motors EV1 Electric car as a New
   > technology  that
   > everyone was supposed to go gaga over an buy  instead of a
   > gas car. Well it
   > flopped.
   > We have had GW  preachers telling us for over a decade now
   > that we need to
   > stop using gas guzzling cars, then Al Gore jumps in his suburban
   > and rushes
   > of to an airport to fly in his G-2 Kerosene  guzzling jet,
   > to another GW
   > conference somewhere around the globe. Meanwhile his home in
   > Tenn  has a $
   > 30,000.00 a year electric bill that has to be supplied by
   > Nuclear energy or
   > Coal burning power plants.
   > Now we have his protege BO eager to force us to drive golf carts
   > with higher
   > fatality rates . Who cares about higher death rates wen you are
   > saving so
   > much gas, right?
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:34 PM
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made
   > them extinct
   >
   >
   > >
   > >   I say BS, if you all think that creative thinking
   > has been encouraged
   > >   and allowed to produce what we want and what we
   > need   then you need
   > >   to get your head out of the sand. There is no
   > doubt in my mind that
   > >   the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at highway
   > speeds comparable to our
   > >   current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg. The
   > problem being that
   > >   those who control the technology are those who did
   > not want this. Why
   > >   would they?
   > >
   > >   "Never did like the idea of govt deciding what
   > kind of cars we'll
   > >   have.  If a
   > >   large part of the public wants electric cars there
   > would be *someone*
   > >   producing them."
   > >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >   From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   > >   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm
   > >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's :
   > BO just made them
   > >   extinct
   > >   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   > >   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >   > the article said <<components such as air
   > conditioners and
   > >   > power steering
   > >   > pumps are powered by electricity rather than by
   > the engine,
   > >   > saving fuel.>>
   > >   >
   > >   > There's a cost associated with the electricity
   > too - sounds like
   > >   > they're
   > >   > glossing over that little problem.  It will
   > reduce the
   > >   > amount of gas savings
   > >   > significantly. IMO.   Maybe obama
   > could declare we
   > >   > smust all work at night
   > >   > and reduce our AC needs??
   > >   >
   > >   > Never did like the idea of govt deciding what
   > kind of cars we'll
   > >   > have.  If a
   > >   > large part of the public wants electric cars
   > there would be
   > >   > *someone*
   > >   > producing them.
   > >   >
   > >   > I wonder how long before they start finding ways
   > to get rid of
   > >   > older cars?
   > >   >
   > >   > LarryT
   > >   >
   > >   >
   > >   > https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp
   > >   >
   > >   > Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested!
   > >   >
   > >   > ----- Original Message -----
   > >   > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > >   > To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   > >   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM
   > >   > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's :
   > BO just made them
   > >   > extinct
   > >   >
   > >   > > No dout banning  7 series BMW's and
   > large Benz &
   > >   > lexus imports is next.
   > >   > > Coffin cars  with 2 stroke Brings &
   > Stratton engines are
   > >   > coming your way
   > >   > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties we criminals
   > that drive gas
   > >   > guzzling
   > >   > > sports cars will face under the BO gestapo soon.
   > >   > >
   > >   > >
   > >   > >
   > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html>   > >
   > >   > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms will have to
   > give up hulking
   > >   > SUVs.
   > >   > > Carpenters will still haul materials around in
   > pickup trucks,
   > >   > but they
   > >   > > will cost more. Nearly everybody else will
   > drive smaller cars,
   > >   > and more of
   > >   > > them will run on electricity. The higher
   > mileage and emissions
   > >   > standards
   > >   > > set by the Obama administration on Tuesday,
   > which begin to
   > >   > take effect in
   > >   > > 2012 and are to be achieved by 2016, will
   > transform the
   > >   > American car and
   > >   > > truck fleet.
   > >   > > The new rules would bring new cars and trucks
   > sold in the
   > >   > United States to
   > >   > > an average of 35.5 miles per gallon, about 10
   > mpg more than
   > >   > today's
   > >   > > standards. Passenger cars will be required to
   > get 39 mpg,
   > >   > light trucks 30
   > >   > > mpg.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > That means cars and trucks on American roads
   > will have to
   > >   > become smaller,
   > >   > > lighter and more efficient.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of global
   > powertrain forecasting
   > >   > for the auto
   > >   > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in Northville,
   > Mich., said the
   > >   > changes will
   > >   > > make pickup trucks so much more expensive that
   > they will be
   > >   > used almost
   > >   > > exclusively for work.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > And instead of a minivan or SUV, more parents
   > will haul their
   > >   > families in
   > >   > > much smaller vehicles with three rows of seats
   > - something
   > >   > more like the
   > >   > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The Mazda 5 gets
   > about 28 mpg on
   > >   > the highway.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "I think what you'll see is a lot more
   > creativity in interior
   > >   > packaging,"
   > >   > > Fedewa said. "You'll get more rows of seats
   > where you
   > >   > traditionally had
   > >   > > cargo space."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers were
   > skeptical. Dixie Bishop,
   > >   > who runs a
   > >   > > plumbing business in San Antonio that uses
   > vans, worries the
   > >   > new
   > >   > > requirements will drive up her costs at a time
   > when customers
   > >   > are cutting
   > >   > > back on repairs.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "Are they going to take my horsepower down?"
   > she asked. "I
   > >   > have to be able
   > >   > > to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's
   > not beneficial
   > >   > for me to haul
   > >   > > one water heater at a time. We need the power
   > to pull these
   > >   > heavy items."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The changes will start with smaller cars and
   > trucks, and
   > >   > improvements to
   > >   > > the internal combustion engine, Fedewa said.
   > Automakers also
   > >   > already
   > >   > > working on new technology, including direct
   > fuel injection and
   > >   > high
   > >   > > compression of the air-fuel mixture, that will
   > make cars and
   > >   > trucks more
   > >   > > efficient.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Car companies are rewiring vehicles so
   > components such as air
   > >   > conditioners
   > >   > > and power steering pumps are powered by
   > electricity rather
   > >   > than by the
   > >   > > engine, saving fuel.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > And they're developing computer-controlled
   > transmissions with
   > >   > six or more
   > >   > > gears, adding efficiency, and rolling out more
   > gas-electric
   > >   > hybrids -
   > >   > > among the few cars sold today that meet the
   > 2016 standards.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Of course, developing the technology will cost
   > money -
   > >   > billions of
   > >   > > dollars - and automakers will pass that on to
   > their customers.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The Obama administration says the changes mean
   > the average
   > >   > vehicle would
   > >   > > cost about $1,300 more, although some private
   > analysts say the
   > >   > increase
   > >   > > will be much heftier. The administration says
   > gas savings will
   > >   > make up the
   > >   > > difference in about three years.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Automakers have said they need stable,
   > relatively high
   > >   > gasoline prices to
   > >   > > create a market for electric vehicles. General
   > Motors fears
   > >   > rolling out
   > >   > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt next year with
   > gas at $2 per
   > >   gallon.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > American consumers have already shown their
   > car-buying habits
   > >   > can change
   > >   > > rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel
   > cost $4 a gallon
   > >   > last summer,
   > >   > > people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much
   > cheaper now, and
   > >   > sales of
   > >   > > hybrids have plummeted.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > "The U.S. consumer has consistently chosen
   > performance over
   > >   > fuel economy
   > >   > > given the relatively low cost of fuel," David
   > Leiker, senior
   > >   > automotive
   > >   > > analyst for Robert W. Baird & Co. in
   > Milwaukee, wrote in a
   > >   > note to
   > >   > > investors.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The Volt is designed to run 40 miles on
   > battery power when it
   > >   > is fully
   > >   > > charged. After that, a small internal
   > combustion engine kicks
   > >   > in to
   > >   > > generate electricity and keep the car going.
   > Other automakers
   > >   > are working
   > >   > > on similar systems.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > But the Volt is expected to sell for $35,000
   > to $40,000, and
   > >   > buyers may be
   > >   > > unwilling to pay that much for a sedan, even
   > if tax credits
   > >   > help ease the
   > >   > > burden, unless gas prices soar.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Rechargeable electric vehicles, which under
   > government>   > calculations could
   > >   > > get 100 mpg or more, will help automakers meet
   > the standards
   > >   > and offset
   > >   > > sales of larger, less-efficient models.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Under Obama's plan, the sale of of electric
   > vehicles and plug-
   > >   > in hybrids
   > >   > > could also generate "super credits" that would
   > count as more
   > >   > than one
   > >   > > vehicle when an automaker determines its
   > average fuel economy
   > >   > and
   > >   > > emissions figures.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > The new rules cause manufacturers "to
   > accelerate their
   > >   > technology plans,
   > >   > > probably a little more aggressively than they
   > originally>   > thought," said
   > >   > > Tony Posawatz, who heads development of the
   > Volt's technology.
   > >   > "For us, we
   > >   > > feel comfortable that we've got choices."
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Just a few years ago, GM and other auto
   > executives were
   > >   > doubtful they
   > >   > > could meet even less stringent standards, but
   > Posawatz said
   > >   > the technology
   > >   > > has changed since then, especially with new
   > lithium-ion batteries.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > GM also is looking at electric trucks, which
   > may bring them
   > >   > even closer to
   > >   > > the goals, he said.
   > >   > >
   > >   > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it planned to
   > launch as many as
   > >   > 10 new
   > >   > > hybrid models worldwide by early 2010, and it
   > plans to bring a
   > >   > new version
   > >   > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the coming weeks.
   > Honda's new
   > >   > Insight hybrid
   > >   > > is already on sale in the U.S. Mazda,
   > meanwhile, has said it
   > >   > plans to
   > >   > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and more on
   > improvements to its
   > >   > basic
   > >   > > internal combustion engine.
   > >   > >
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Re: NFC Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: philville dejazzd.com (philvilledejazzd.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:50:53 -0700 (PDT)