Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct

[philville dejazzd.com (philville]

   I say BS, if you all think that creative thinking has been encouraged
   and allowed to produce what we want and what we need   then you need
   to get your head out of the sand. There is no doubt in my mind that
   the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at highway speeds comparable to our
   current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg. The problem being that
   those who control the technology are those who did not want this. Why
   would they?

   "Never did like the idea of govt deciding what kind of cars we'll
   have.  If a
   large part of the public wants electric cars there would be *someone*
   producing them."
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them
   extinct
   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > the article said <<components such as air conditioners and
   > power steering
   > pumps are powered by electricity rather than by the engine,
   > saving fuel.>>
   >
   > There's a cost associated with the electricity too - sounds like
   > they're
   > glossing over that little problem.  It will reduce the
   > amount of gas savings
   > significantly. IMO.   Maybe obama could declare we
   > smust all work at night
   > and reduce our AC needs??
   >
   > Never did like the idea of govt deciding what kind of cars we'll
   > have.  If a
   > large part of the public wants electric cars there would be
   > *someone*
   > producing them.
   >
   > I wonder how long before they start finding ways to get rid of
   > older cars?
   >
   > LarryT
   >
   >
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   >
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   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
   > To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM
   > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them
   > extinct
   >
   > > No dout banning  7 series BMW's and  large Benz &
   > lexus imports is next.
   > > Coffin cars  with 2 stroke Brings & Stratton engines are
   > coming your way
   > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties we criminals that drive gas
   > guzzling
   > > sports cars will face under the BO gestapo soon.
   > >
   > >
   > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html
   > >
   > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking
   > SUVs.
   > > Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks,
   > but they
   > > will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars,
   > and more of
   > > them will run on electricity. The higher mileage and emissions
   > standards
   > > set by the Obama administration on Tuesday, which begin to
   > take effect in
   > > 2012 and are to be achieved by 2016, will transform the
   > American car and
   > > truck fleet.
   > > The new rules would bring new cars and trucks sold in the
   > United States to
   > > an average of 35.5 miles per gallon, about 10 mpg more than
   > today's
   > > standards. Passenger cars will be required to get 39 mpg,
   > light trucks 30
   > > mpg.
   > >
   > > That means cars and trucks on American roads will have to
   > become smaller,
   > > lighter and more efficient.
   > >
   > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of global powertrain forecasting
   > for the auto
   > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich., said the
   > changes will
   > > make pickup trucks so much more expensive that they will be
   > used almost
   > > exclusively for work.
   > >
   > > And instead of a minivan or SUV, more parents will haul their
   > families in
   > > much smaller vehicles with three rows of seats - something
   > more like the
   > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The Mazda 5 gets about 28 mpg on
   > the highway.
   > >
   > > "I think what you'll see is a lot more creativity in interior
   > packaging,"
   > > Fedewa said. "You'll get more rows of seats where you
   > traditionally had
   > > cargo space."
   > >
   > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers were skeptical. Dixie Bishop,
   > who runs a
   > > plumbing business in San Antonio that uses vans, worries the
   > new
   > > requirements will drive up her costs at a time when customers
   > are cutting
   > > back on repairs.
   > >
   > > "Are they going to take my horsepower down?" she asked. "I
   > have to be able
   > > to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's not beneficial
   > for me to haul
   > > one water heater at a time. We need the power to pull these
   > heavy items."
   > >
   > > The changes will start with smaller cars and trucks, and
   > improvements to
   > > the internal combustion engine, Fedewa said. Automakers also
   > already
   > > working on new technology, including direct fuel injection and
   > high
   > > compression of the air-fuel mixture, that will make cars and
   > trucks more
   > > efficient.
   > >
   > > Car companies are rewiring vehicles so components such as air
   > conditioners
   > > and power steering pumps are powered by electricity rather
   > than by the
   > > engine, saving fuel.
   > >
   > > And they're developing computer-controlled transmissions with
   > six or more
   > > gears, adding efficiency, and rolling out more gas-electric
   > hybrids -
   > > among the few cars sold today that meet the 2016 standards.
   > >
   > > Of course, developing the technology will cost money -
   > billions of
   > > dollars - and automakers will pass that on to their customers.
   > >
   > > The Obama administration says the changes mean the average
   > vehicle would
   > > cost about $1,300 more, although some private analysts say the
   > increase
   > > will be much heftier. The administration says gas savings will
   > make up the
   > > difference in about three years.
   > >
   > > Automakers have said they need stable, relatively high
   > gasoline prices to
   > > create a market for electric vehicles. General Motors fears
   > rolling out
   > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt next year with gas at $2 per
   gallon.
   > >
   > > American consumers have already shown their car-buying habits
   > can change
   > > rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel cost $4 a gallon
   > last summer,
   > > people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much cheaper now, and
   > sales of
   > > hybrids have plummeted.
   > >
   > > "The U.S. consumer has consistently chosen performance over
   > fuel economy
   > > given the relatively low cost of fuel," David Leiker, senior
   > automotive
   > > analyst for Robert W. Baird & Co. in Milwaukee, wrote in a
   > note to
   > > investors.
   > >
   > > The Volt is designed to run 40 miles on battery power when it
   > is fully
   > > charged. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks
   > in to
   > > generate electricity and keep the car going. Other automakers
   > are working
   > > on similar systems.
   > >
   > > But the Volt is expected to sell for $35,000 to $40,000, and
   > buyers may be
   > > unwilling to pay that much for a sedan, even if tax credits
   > help ease the
   > > burden, unless gas prices soar.
   > >
   > > Rechargeable electric vehicles, which under government
   > calculations could
   > > get 100 mpg or more, will help automakers meet the standards
   > and offset
   > > sales of larger, less-efficient models.
   > >
   > > Under Obama's plan, the sale of of electric vehicles and plug-
   > in hybrids
   > > could also generate "super credits" that would count as more
   > than one
   > > vehicle when an automaker determines its average fuel economy
   > and
   > > emissions figures.
   > >
   > > The new rules cause manufacturers "to accelerate their
   > technology plans,
   > > probably a little more aggressively than they originally
   > thought," said
   > > Tony Posawatz, who heads development of the Volt's technology.
   > "For us, we
   > > feel comfortable that we've got choices."
   > >
   > > Just a few years ago, GM and other auto executives were
   > doubtful they
   > > could meet even less stringent standards, but Posawatz said
   > the technology
   > > has changed since then, especially with new lithium-ion batteries.
   > >
   > > GM also is looking at electric trucks, which may bring them
   > even closer to
   > > the goals, he said.
   > >
   > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it planned to launch as many as
   > 10 new
   > > hybrid models worldwide by early 2010, and it plans to bring a
   > new version
   > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the coming weeks. Honda's new
   > Insight hybrid
   > > is already on sale in the U.S. Mazda, meanwhile, has said it
   > plans to
   > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and more on improvements to its
   > basic
   > > internal combustion engine.
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