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From: philville dejazzd.com (philville dejazzd.com)
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| Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) | |
It will be hard to document, but, what odds are you giving, I am going
with Detroit (or some domestic manuf.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:10 am
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them
extinct
To: philville [at] dejazzd.com
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> I agree. Too many NON-Engineers with a baseless opinion that say 'it
can't be done'....right. Good thing Edison, Wright, Einstein, and
Franklin didn't havesuch 'enlightened' folksas a support group. We'd
still be using candles to read by - in a cave.
> Who wants to bet me that a Japanese car company will be the first to
bring products to-market that meet the new standard....before the
deadline....at market-prices that will outsell domestic models that
won't meet the standard. I have $20....
M
> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
wrote:
> From: philville dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made
them extinct
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 8:34 PM
> I say BS, if you all think that creative thinking has been
encouraged
> and allowed to produce what we want and what we needthen you need
> to get your head out of the sand. There is no doubt in my mind that
> the ability to move a 4000 lb. car at highway speeds comparable to
our
> current usage and at mileage above 50 mpg. The problem being that
> those who control the technology are those who did not want this.
Why
> would they?
> "Never did like the idea of govt deciding what kind of cars we'll
> have. If a
> large part of the public wants electric cars there would be
*someone*
> producing them."
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LarryT <[1]l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them
> extinct
> To: Phil Tegtmeier <[2]philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <[3]ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > the article said <<components such as air conditioners and
> > power steering
> > pumps are powered by electricity rather than by the engine,
> > saving fuel.>>
>
> > There's a cost associated with the electricity too - sounds like
> > they're
> > glossing over that little problem. It will reduce the
> > amount of gas savings
> > significantly. IMO.Maybe obama could declare we
> > smust all work at night
> > and reduce our AC needs??
>
> > Never did like the idea of govt deciding what kind of cars we'll
> > have. If a
> > large part of the public wants electric cars there would be
> > *someone*
> > producing them.
>
> > I wonder how long before they start finding ways to get rid of
> > older cars?
>
> > LarryT
>
>
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick" <[5]Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
> > To: "Larry Turner" <[6]l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <[7]ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:02 PM
> > Subject: [Ferrari] Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them
> > extinct
>
> > > No dout banning 7 series BMW's and large Benz &
> > lexus imports is next.
> > > Coffin cars with 2 stroke Brings & Stratton engines are
> > coming your way
> > > in 4 years.Imagine what penalties we criminals that drive gas
> > guzzling
> > > sports cars will face under the BO gestapo soon.
> > >
> > >
> > > [8]http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989J3F00.html
> > >
> > > DETROIT (AP) - Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking
> > SUVs.
> > > Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks,
> > but they
> > > will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars,
> > and more of
> > > them will run on electricity. The higher mileage and emissions
> > standards
> > > set by the Obama administration on Tuesday, which begin to
> > take effect in
> > > 2012 and are to be achieved by 2016, will transform the
> > American car and
> > > truck fleet.
> > > The new rules would bring new cars and trucks sold in the
> > United States to
> > > an average of 35.5 miles per gallon, about 10 mpg more than
> > today's
> > > standards. Passenger cars will be required to get 39 mpg,
> > light trucks 30
> > > mpg.
> > >
> > > That means cars and trucks on American roads will have to
> > become smaller,
> > > lighter and more efficient.
> > >
> > > Eric Fedewa, vice president of global powertrain forecasting
> > for the auto
> > > consulting firm CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich., said the
> > changes will
> > > make pickup trucks so much more expensive that they will be
> > used almost
> > > exclusively for work.
> > >
> > > And instead of a minivan or SUV, more parents will haul their
> > families in
> > > much smaller vehicles with three rows of seats - something
> > more like the
> > > Mazda 5 small van, he said. The Mazda 5 gets about 28 mpg on
> > the highway.
> > >
> > > "I think what you'll see is a lot more creativity in interior
> > packaging,"
> > > Fedewa said. "You'll get more rows of seats where you
> > traditionally had
> > > cargo space."
> > >
> > > Already on Tuesday, some drivers were skeptical. Dixie Bishop,
> > who runs a
> > > plumbing business in San Antonio that uses vans, worries the
> > new
> > > requirements will drive up her costs at a time when customers
> > are cutting
> > > back on repairs.
> > >
> > > "Are they going to take my horsepower down?" she asked. "I
> > have to be able
> > > to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's not beneficial
> > for me to haul
> > > one water heater at a time. We need the power to pull these
> > heavy items."
> > >
> > > The changes will start with smaller cars and trucks, and
> > improvements to
> > > the internal combustion engine, Fedewa said. Automakers also
> > already
> > > working on new technology, including direct fuel injection and
> > high
> > > compression of the air-fuel mixture, that will make cars and
> > trucks more
> > > efficient.
> > >
> > > Car companies are rewiring vehicles so components such as air
> > conditioners
> > > and power steering pumps are powered by electricity rather
> > than by the
> > > engine, saving fuel.
> > >
> > > And they're developing computer-controlled transmissions with
> > six or more
> > > gears, adding efficiency, and rolling out more gas-electric
> > hybrids -
> > > among the few cars sold today that meet the 2016 standards.
> > >
> > > Of course, developing the technology will cost money -
> > billions of
> > > dollars - and automakers will pass that on to their customers.
> > >
> > > The Obama administration says the changes mean the average
> > vehicle would
> > > cost about $1,300 more, although some private analysts say the
> > increase
> > > will be much heftier. The administration says gas savings will
> > make up the
> > > difference in about three years.
> > >
> > > Automakers have said they need stable, relatively high
> > gasoline prices to
> > > create a market for electric vehicles. General Motors fears
> > rolling out
> > > its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt next year with gas at $2 per
> gallon.
> > >
> > > American consumers have already shown their car-buying habits
> > can change
> > > rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel cost $4 a gallon
> > last summer,
> > > people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much cheaper now, and
> > sales of
> > > hybrids have plummeted.
> > >
> > > "The U.S. consumer has consistently chosen performance over
> > fuel economy
> > > given the relatively low cost of fuel," David Leiker, senior
> > automotive
> > > analyst for Robert W. Baird & Co. in Milwaukee, wrote in a
> > note to
> > > investors.
> > >
> > > The Volt is designed to run 40 miles on battery power when it
> > is fully
> > > charged. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks
> > in to
> > > generate electricity and keep the car going. Other automakers
> > are working
> > > on similar systems.
> > >
> > > But the Volt is expected to sell for $35,000 to $40,000, and
> > buyers may be
> > > unwilling to pay that much for a sedan, even if tax credits
> > help ease the
> > > burden, unless gas prices soar.
> > >
> > > Rechargeable electric vehicles, which under government
> > calculations could
> > > get 100 mpg or more, will help automakers meet the standards
> > and offset
> > > sales of larger, less-efficient models.
> > >
> > > Under Obama's plan, the sale of of electric vehicles and plug-
> > in hybrids
> > > could also generate "super credits" that would count as more
> > than one
> > > vehicle when an automaker determines its average fuel economy
> > and
> > > emissions figures.
> > >
> > > The new rules cause manufacturers "to accelerate their
> > technology plans,
> > > probably a little more aggressively than they originally
> > thought," said
> > > Tony Posawatz, who heads development of the Volt's technology.
> > "For us, we
> > > feel comfortable that we've got choices."
> > >
> > > Just a few years ago, GM and other auto executives were
> > doubtful they
> > > could meet even less stringent standards, but Posawatz said
> > the technology
> > > has changed since then, especially with new lithium-ion
batteries.
> > >
> > > GM also is looking at electric trucks, which may bring them
> > even closer to
> > > the goals, he said.
> > >
> > > Earlier this year, Toyota said it planned to launch as many as
> > 10 new
> > > hybrid models worldwide by early 2010, and it plans to bring a
> > new version
> > > of the Prius to the U.S. in the coming weeks. Honda's new
> > Insight hybrid
> > > is already on sale in the U.S. Mazda, meanwhile, has said it
> > plans to
> > > focus less on hybrid vehicles and more on improvements to its
> > basic
> > > internal combustion engine.
> > >
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- Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct, (continued)
- Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct Hans E. Hansen, May 19 2009
- Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct LarryT, May 19 2009
- Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct Jim, May 19 2009
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Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct Michael James, May 19 2009
- Re: Say goodbye to your SUV's : BO just made them extinct philville dejazzd.com, May 20 2009
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