Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Opinion - Rick's Failed Economy Comment

[Mike Fleischer (themightytoe]

I think its great that the problem is here today...  High mileage 
standards, its a great technological hurdle to solve, its already been 
solved really, but its about time it reached our shores.  BMW still 
makes 7 series and GM will still make SUV's, just not every Sam Dick and 
Harry is going to be tooling around in one...  I think that is 
wonderful, I frikking hate getting stuck behind one of those, or seeing 
one depart its lane next to me because of a bad driver.

Before January, Big Oil was our Government...  GWB and GB Sr are big 
oil...  Just not American Big Oil, I think they were/are Saudi Big Oil 
if you check it out...  Now that they are out of office, Big Oil has to 
lobby like the rest of the corporate pukes.

Are Electric cars the answer?  Probably not, electricity still needs to 
be generated, and batteries are not really disposable (nor are gas 
vehicles however).  As with most things mandated by the government 
(Catalytic converters, Seat Belts, Air bags, Crash worthiness), they are 
things the consumer should just "want", but of course not really willing 
to shell out the extra $$$ to pay for them...  So the argument that 
SUV's are consumer driven and that a consumer driven market is the way 
to go?  BS.  utter utter BS.  Consumers are inherently selfish and 
stupid...  This is not a matter of finding a better energy source, its a 
matter of finding a more efficient one, or using less energy to do the 
same thing.

As for a mandate for better mileage standards?  About F'ing time, we are 
so far behind the rest of the world in this area its beyond sad and 
pathetic.  Get on your horse and claim all the fantastic things the US 
produces, yet none of it is for us.  3G networks, low fuel economy cars, 
high efficiency heating and cooling, Nuclear power, Transportation 
infrastructure, all lagging so far behind the rest of the world, that 
its laughable.  Why else would VW and Toyota have the best solutions out 
there and not GM and Ford? 

Members of this list feel afronted by these mandates, when the reality 
is most of us can weather the storm of 6$ a gallon gas and keep driving 
our low mpg toy cars, sure we give up a steak dinner one week out of the 
year, but really?  Personally I like the idea that the imbecile who did 
not graduate from high school, got knocked up 4 times by the age of 24 
and is now putting makeup on while talking on her cell phone in her 
Expedition full of screaming kids, is instead of killing my family, 
going to bounce off and play the odds in a smaller vehicle...  I believe 
in live and let live, but lets not give these people easy access to 
SUV's so they can cheat Darwin either.

And I can't help but completely believe that had Bush/Cheney proposed 
these same high mileage standards (yeah let's make sure we sell less 
oil, that's likely to come from Big Oil George!), it would be received 
as the second coming by Rick and his Right wing, burn the forests for 
the oil underneath buddies...  That isn't a conspiracy, its just a clear 
conflict of interest to run the country and still have your personal 
wealth and future personal wealth tied to oil...  Same as giving your 
own company no bid contracts to rebuild after a war initiated under your 
watch...  Ethically its not a gray area to me, its wrong, criminally so, 
made legal only by virtue of being able to sign it off as being so... 





jimshadow [at] verizon.net wrote:
> I've been on an all day walking field trip with my 9 year old Daughter and her 
> class.   Todays subject has been interesting reading even with no FC.   :)
>
> So how does the power struggle play out when its Gov't mandates vs. the oil 
> companies?  How far will they have to go before Big Oil gets into the 
> Electricity game, or will they start leaning on politicians really hard to 
> stall some of this wacky legislation....
> What's the end game here with BO and his push to anything but oil.......
>
> I have an idea.....let's have an FChat War Game and play it out here.....   :) 
>
> Jim 
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jim Conforti
> To: Jim
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Opinion - Rick's Failed Economy Comment
> Sent: May 20, 2009 3:36 PM
>
> At 01:18 PM 5/20/2009, Dan Warlick wrote:
>
>   
> > Texaco owns Cobasys, the company that holds patents on NiMH batteries for
> > cars. They have not been easy to deal with according to Toyota and others.
> > Excerpt here.....
> >
> > In her book, Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America, published
> > in February 2007, Sherry Boschert argues ...
> >     
>
>    Translation:
>
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>
>    or it could just be a sound business decision of
>    an intellectual property rights holder. (CobaSys)
>
>    Naww - it's an
>
>    Evil Oil Company Conspiracy...
>
>    Secondary Translation:
>
>    Just what the world needs - more "journalists" writing impassioned
>    yet factually vacuous tomes about subjects they really know little about.
>
>    The same people who have for years screamed "NO NUKES!" (anyone here old
>    enough to remember those moonbats?) - now screaming that electric cars
>    are the answer to everything.
>
>    (Jim taps moonbat on shoulder)
>
>    Umm.. where is this electricity for your magic electric plug-in city
>    car made of soy and built by LGBT union workers going to come from?
>
>
>
>
>
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