Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax

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Really? 

I find it hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to equate Bush 

with Jesus.  But then Fox News is still amazingly on the air as well...  

But I guess my glass is half full.

That said I find it absolutely fascinating how truly paranoid the fiscal 

conservative right wing really is (You know who you are guys).  Half the 

time their posts make them sound like gun toting loonies, hiding out 

behind the bushes on their front porch waiting for the IRS to take away 

the fixtures for the 4th toilet in their house...  Immense ammounts of 

anger over what is clearly not in their control and never really was to 

begin.  I think most of them would be entertaining to have a drink with, 

but some of them need a healthy reality check and a very large piece of 

cheese with their whine.

:)  Consider the bear fed (using an earmark Rick's taxes to pay for it!)

Mike

cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com wrote:

Careful, Mike....many of our Neo-Con members think Bush was Jesus and 

could do no wrong.  To question anything happening (or not happening 

when it should have) in the past eight years amounts to Religious 

Heresy and National Treason.  Even Rush says so, therefore it must be 

true.  Senator Phil Gramm's contribution to the situation has already 

been forgotten.

Don't feed the bear.  History will tell the real tale.

M

--- On *Wed, 5/27/09, Mike Fleischer /<themightytoe [at] gmail.com>/* wrote:

    From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
    To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
    Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
    Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 5:07 PM

    Well

    If memory serves the housing bubble really took off after the
    internet
    bubble burst.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble

    Since the tech bubble popped in 2000...  I think the housing bubble
    really took off from there.  Peaked in 2005 or 2006.

    The lending practices that were so suspicious could have been
    regulated
    better at any point in time, but really came into play with all
    the real
    estate speculation that happened from I'd want to say around 2002
    onwards.  So yes bad laws initially, and questionable ethics on
    behalf
    of lenders and appraisers also.  But to say the last
    administration was
    faultless?  Really?

    The only question I have is what is the next boom?  It seems economic
    conditions are still deteriorating and the last times the world
    economy

    sank so badly the boom was from German bombs and artillery... 

    When and

    if that comes to pass again, I think none of us will be driving the
    Ferrari on the weekend.

    Mike

    Brian E. Buxton wrote:
    > Clinton was in for 8 years as well.  A lot of the people who
    shouldn't
    > have had home loans already had them for a while.  Was Bush
    supposed
    > to evict them?
    >
    > Brian
    >
    >
    >
    > Mike Fleischer wrote:
    >> So your saying if I buy a Ferrari and it needs a new waterpump,
    and I
    >> do nothing about it for eight years and the motor blows up...  Its
    >> not remotely my fault?
    >>
    >> I am starting to see the problem here...
    >>
    >> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
    >>> All of this mess started with the housing market, which was a
    result
    >>> of legislation pushed through by Clinton.  Bush just happened
    to be
    >>> in office when it all fell apart.
    >>>
    >>> B
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Rick wrote:
    >>>

    >>> 

    >>>> From: "Lee Lingo" <leescars [at] comcast.net

    <http://us.mc318.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=leescars [at] comcast.net>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
    Sales tax
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Rick,
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh, please.  Your posts are nothing more than you finding
    articles
    >>>> that support your complaints.  Big deal.  Your candidate
    lost.  Get
    >>>> over it.
    >>>>
    >>>> My candidate in the two previous elections won and look at the
    >>>> state we're in now.
    >>>>
    >>>> And besides, you're comment about BO using the situation to push
    >>>> through his agenda is not news.  If I'm not mistaken, Bush
    did the
    >>>> same thing with the Patriot Act which many feels is the
    >>>> single-most  destructive piece of legislation ever in regards to
    >>>> eliminating the civil liberties this country was founded on.
    >>>>
    >>>> Stay on topic.  Please.
    >>>>
    >>>> Lee
    >>>>

=====================================================================================

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Yeah that explains why BO is keeping almost all  of Bush's
    patriot
    >>>> Act legislation. Here are articles listing all those  "
    >>>> destructive" Bush policies that BO has suddenly decided are
    actualy

    >>>> quite good to have, so we can have another 8 years free  from 

    >>>> terrorist  attacks in the US . Renditions, FISA Wiretaps, Gitmo

    >>>> detainees, etc.
    >>>> Read at your own peril.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Is Obama embracing Bush-Cheney terrorism policies?
    >>>>
    >>>>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/05/---johanna-neumanclick-here-for-automatic-twitter-alerts-on-every-ticket-item-or-follow-us-latimestot.html

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Obama Administration Maintains Bush Legal Argument for Terrorist
    >>>> Surveillance Secrecy
    >>>>
    >>>>

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/13/obama-administration-upholds-terrorist-surveillance-secrecy-rules/

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Wednesday Feb. 18, 2009 05:59 EST
    >>>> Charlie Savage on Obama's embrace of Bush/Cheney "terrorism
    policies
    >>>> http://www.salon.com/src/pass/sitepass/spon/sitepass_website.html
    >>>>
    >>>> Obama vindicating Bush on anti-terror policies
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/1215525.html
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Obama in Bush Clothing
    >>>>
    >>>> By Charles Krauthammer
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.JewishWorldReview.com
    <http://www.jewishworldreview.com/> | "We were able to hold it off
    with
    >>>> George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting
    with the
    >>>> Obama administration over these powers is really stunning."
    >>>>         - Unnamed and dismayed human rights advocate, on
    legalizing
    >>>> indefinite detention of alleged terrorists, the New York
    Times, May
    >>>> 21
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the
    flip-
    >>>> flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the
    homage that
    >>>> Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has
    adopted
    >>>> with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire,
    allegedly
    >>>> lawless Bush program.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military
    tribunals. During
    >>>> the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling
    them an
    >>>> "enormous failure." Obama suspended them upon his
    swearing-in. Now
    >>>> they're back.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he's doing in
    deed. As
    >>>> in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech yesterday
    >>>> claiming to have undone Bush's moral travesties, the military
    >>>> commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama
    three-step:
    >>>> (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic
    >>>> changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Cosmetic changes such as Obama's declaration that "we will give
    >>>> detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel."
    Laughable.
    >>>> High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the
    >>>> frisson of representing these miscreants in court.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> What about disallowing evidence received under coercive
    interrogation?
    >>>> Hardly new, notes former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. Under the
    >>>> existing rules, military judges have that authority, and they
    >>>> exercised it under the Bush administration to dismiss charges
    against
    >>>> al-Qaeda operative Mohammed al-Qahtani on precisely those
    grounds.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On Guantanamo, it's Obama's fellow Democrats who have suddenly
    >>>> discovered the wisdom of Bush's choice. In open rebellion against
    >>>> Obama's pledge to shut it down, the Senate voted 90 to 6 to
    reject
    >>>> appropriating a single penny until the president explains
    where he
    >>>> intends to put the inmates. Sen. James Webb, the de facto
    Democratic
    >>>> authority on national defense, wants the closing to be put on
    hold.
    >>>> And on Tuesday, Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
    said, no
    >>>> Gitmo inmates on American soil - not even in American jails.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That doesn't leave a lot of places. The home countries won't take
    >>>> them. Europe is recalcitrant. Saint Helena needs
    refurbishing. Elba
    >>>> didn't work out too well the first time. And Devil's Island
    is now a
    >>>> tourist destination. Gitmo is starting to look good again.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Observers of all political stripes are stunned by how much of
    the Bush
    >>>> national security agenda is being adopted by this new Democratic
    >>>> government. JWR contributor Victor Davis Hanson offers a
    partial list:
    >>>> "The Patriot Act, wiretaps, e-mail intercepts, military
    tribunals,
    >>>> Predator drone attacks, Iraq (i.e., slowing the withdrawal),
    >>>> Afghanistan (i.e., the surge) - and now Guantanamo."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Jack Goldsmith (The New Republic) adds: rendition - turning over
    >>>> terrorists seized abroad to foreign countries; state secrets -
    >>>> claiming them in court to quash legal proceedings on
    rendition and
    >>>> other erstwhile barbarisms; and the denial of habeas corpus - to
    >>>> detainees in Afghanistan's Bagram prison, indistinguishable
    logically
    >>>> and morally from Guantanamo.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> What does it all mean? Democratic hypocrisy and demagoguery?
    Sure, but
    >>>> in Washington, opportunism and cynicism are hardly news.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> There is something much larger at play - an undeniable,
    irresistible
    >>>> national interest that, in the end, beyond the cheap
    politics, asserts
    >>>> itself. The urgencies and necessities of the actual post-9/11
    world,
    >>>> as opposed to the fanciful world of the opposition
    politician, present
    >>>> a rather narrow range of acceptable alternatives.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Among them: reviving the tradition of military tribunals, used
    >>>> historically by George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Winfield
    Scott,
    >>>> Abraham Lincoln, Arthur MacArthur and Franklin Roosevelt. And
    >>>> inventing Guantanamo - accessible, secure, offshore and nicely
    >>>> symbolic (the tradition of island exile for those outside the
    pale of
    >>>> civilization is a venerable one) - a quite brilliant choice
    for the
    >>>> placement of terrorists, some of whom, the Bush administration
    >>>> immediately understood, would have to be detained without
    trial in a
    >>>> war that could be endless.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> The genius of democracy is that the rotation of power forces the
    >>>> opposition to come to its senses when it takes over. When the new
    >>>> guys, brought to power by popular will, then adopt the
    policies of the
    >>>> old guys, a national consensus is forged and a new legitimacy
    >>>> established.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That's happening before our eyes. The Bush policies in the war on
    >>>> terror won't have to await vindication by historians. Obama
    is doing
    >>>> it day by day. His denials mean nothing. Look at his deeds.
    >>>>
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Re: NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Mike Fleischer (themightytoegmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:29:53 -0700 (PDT)