Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Add End: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1

[E M (pokiebaron]

I always felt a great way to reduce development costs, is to relax the rules
a bit, to allow each manufacture to develop cars in a way that allows them
to take advantage of their specific strengths.  Ferrari do V12s well, the
French are great at turbos, etc.

Unless you have crate engines that are sealed, a spec race can be very
expensive to get into.  Not to compare Nascar to F1, but when everyone is
running more or less the same engines, teams will spends crazy money trying
to find a small advantage here and there.  Build a better water pump in a
push rod V8 stocker, and it might gain you a couple HP, but to find that
advantage costs as much as designing a pump from scratch.

Ok, I'm rambling now. lol.  I just know one thing, someone posted a few
video links the other day to races from the early 80s!  Brought back
memories of why I used to rearrange my sched to never miss one.  Todays
races put me to sleep.  I've seen one this year so far, and with the channel
flicker in my hand, it was hard to resist the temptation!!

Ed
911SC

2009/6/19 Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>

> I have mixed feelings on this....it all depends on the 'new' organization,
> how the money is distribuited, and whether the 'lower-rung' teams can now
> share in the wealth and afford car development expenses. If the smaller
> teams get larger fund returns, and stay competitive, than a new series will
> take-off. If they have to drop-out like Jaguar and Honda did, then it will
> fail unless they institute a spec-series until things get stable.
>
> F1 provided a LOT of services to the teams - I'm wondering who will fill
> that role now. Somebody has to negotiate with the tracks, the TV stations,
> do all the Logistics of moving the 'stuff' from track to track every
> weekend, etc. None of that was done by the teams alone. That infrastructure
> still needs to be assembled before anyone goes racing again. PLUS, you have
> signed contracts that 'may' be broken - Lawyers will be getting involved,
> lawsuits, court appearances, etc. This won't get settled in a week or two.
> If this goes as-planned (what does?) there won't be ANY racing in 2010 until
> the dust settles and a new 'series' gets put-together that supports
> management, logistics, media, finances, etc.
>
> If I were a betting man, I'd say Bernie FIRES Max shortly and makes-nice
> with the teams (hopefully by kicking some more revenues their way). FOTA
> renegs, when Max is gone, and everyone hugs-it-out. I wouldn't start booking
> plane tickets to Indy or Montreal just yet - those avenues don't have the
> Raw Mountains of CASH that the Chinese or the Arabs have. And in this Global
> Economy, they never will.
>
> --- On Fri, 6/19/09, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Add End: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of
> F1
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com, Rexnbutchie 
> [at] aol.com
> Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:08 AM
>
>
> Hey Bubba,
>     You wrote <<tens of millions of Euros in the pockets.... >>
>
>     IIRC, in Bernie's case it was *Billions* of USDs/Euro's or whatever.  I
> recall him being one of the 10 wealthiest in UK - or maybe the world..
>
>     Also, on a lighter note, my favorite commentator  Sam Posey read a
> prepared announcement this morning during qualifying and spoke at lenght
> about the wealth of history at The British GP.  His voice is showing his
> age - but that is probably true of most of us.  Anyway, it was nice hearing
> his unusual style when talking about a track.
>
>     I'm hoping things will get better but I'm not holding my breath.
>
>     Couldn't agree more with your comments about the new tracks that leave
> me cold inside when watching.  They just seem to be missing something the
> old have in spades.  Even if the old ones  get chicanes and such they still
> have that cachet of  soul and tradition the new ones have little chance of
> attaining.
>
>     For those watching Speeds coverage of qualifying for the Brit GP can
> hear a lot of comments about the recent decision to break away from the
> Bernie/Mosley regime.
>
> LarryT
>
> "When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
> health care I might consider socialized
> medicene."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: <ItsmeMrWright [at] aol.com>; <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>;
> <Rexnbutchie [at] aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:26 AM
> Subject: [Ferrari] Add End: Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
>
>
> > Hey Erick: The REAL Formula 1 died a long time ago. Max,?mit ?his 'der
> > Fuhrer' complex, with the help of Bernie, killed it with their 'Do it?my
> > way, or the highway' attitudes.
> >
> > Dropping the tradtitional tracks that made the sport what it is today in
> > favor of jungles and sand piles that nobody really cares about really
> > turned many fans off. Including me. And that's just the tip of the
> > iceberg.
> >
> > But it put tens of millions of Euros in the pockets of the very people
> who
> > were killing the sport.
> >
> > The day the new series starts is the day that I will stop watching,
> > attending and supporting what is now called?F1.
> >
> > Let the games begin!? Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Official Announcement FOTA pulling out of F1
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark today's date, F1 just died.  Death certificate to be issued after
> > the last race.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jim wrote:
> >>>Hot off UPI - 8 FOTA teams officially pulling out of F1 - starting new
> >>>series ...
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/06/18/Eight-teams-plan-to-leave-Formula-One/UPI-68161245374886/
> >>
> >> ? Do we say "about time"?
> >>
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