Ferrari Mailing List: Re: TestaRossa

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The 512 TR is manual steering!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:27:50 
To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] TestaRossa


See now,

I can agree with that statement, my 348 was a manual steering car and 
its feel through a corner was second to none.  I drove some 355's back 
in the day and that was my biggest complaint about that car, the softer 
steering.  Still the 308 GT4's don't really shout Ferrari to me.

As for the Merak and Urraco.. Yuck not my cup of tea.  The Jalpa was OK, 
but it still looked like a copy of a BMW M1.   Seeing a Gallardo, LP640, 
599 GTB and F430 next to each other, Ferrari really has lost the styling 
battle, though the Italia looks very pretty so maybe a comeback?  
Performance wise they may be better, but only marginally so.  For a 
Front Engine supercar, no question the Maserati GT and AM 
Vantage/Vanquish are the prettiest (obtainable) cars on the road today.  
If I wanted something front engine, truly fast and track worthy, the ZR1 
Vette is the only game in town, it would spank all comers on a road 
course. 

The very first Ferrari I ever saw in person was in 3rd grade, one of the 
girls in my class got dropped off in her Dad's red Dino.  A real Dino 
(246), not the pretender to the name...  Truly a pretty car. 

I can appreciate any car for its handling, but a Ferrari needs to do 
that plus look and sound just as good.  The GT4 does 2 out of the 3 
(maybe).

BR,
Mike

Ken Rentiers wrote:
> To those who have not experienced the manual steering in the early mid  
> engine V8s - try it and find out what Jim is talking about.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Jim <jimshadow [at] verizon.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> No need for the Nomex.   Everyone has their opinion. :)   For me,  
>> its about
>> the driving experience.   This car is like a grown up go-kart.   I  
>> have
>> modernized many a thing with my GT4 including electronic ignition,
>> suspension bushings, wheels/tires, etc...   The car rides on rails  
>> and is
>> very quick.   In fact, I led a group of Ferraris through the  
>> twisties and 2
>> 360 owners said they were impressed at how fast I could push the car  
>> through
>> the corners.  (I wasn't even pushing the car. :))
>> I have always been a fan of the underdog and the GT4 is certainly  
>> that.   To
>> me the car is beautiful and the bonus is how it drives!
>>
>> JIM
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Fleischer" <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
>> To: "JIM" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] TestaRossa
>>
>>
>>     
>>> I apologize to those who own one...
>>>
>>> Man I just can not feel the Ferrari love for that car.  Its so  
>>> ugly.  It
>>> makes me recall the old Bricklin kit cars from the 70's, a cross  
>>> between
>>> that and a Lotus Esprit, but not the good aspects of either...  I'm  
>>> sure
>>> they sound nice and are fun to drive, I just would not be able to get
>>> past looking at it before opening the driver door...  MHO
>>>
>>> Now the new Italia, so far from the pics, that thing is beautiful.
>>> First Ferrari that was drool worthy to me in a long time (last one  
>>> was
>>> probably the F355, and before that the F40, 328, 512BBi, and so  
>>> on), the
>>> others are lookers, but those ones (as far as modern F cars go) stand
>>> out to me.  Also any F car with the engine up front is a waste of  
>>> time
>>> also.   There I said it.  Seriously, so what if the 1950's and 60's  
>>> cars
>>> were front engine?  Those are not even in the same league as anything
>>> modern from Maranello.   And I will never ever get the Daytona's
>>> popularity, to me its just not that pretty.  Miami vice did much  
>>> better
>>> with the TR than that Daytona spider.
>>>
>>> Nomex is on,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert W. Garven Jr. wrote:
>>>       
>>>> this is a better car
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200376538978&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123#ht_500wt_1182
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert W. Garven Jr.
>>>> rgarven [at] gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special
>>>> vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for
>>>> those lucky few". Enzo Ferrari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:43 AM, philville dejazzd.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  Larry
>>>>>  Because the Testa Rossas are Ferraris, I love them, I do not
>>>>>  particularly like them, and, if you look at all iterations of TR
>>>>> from
>>>>>  the mid 80's to 1994 there are over 10,000 of them.....needless to
>>>>> say
>>>>>  this has some impact on the pricing.
>>>>>  Also in these days of unstable economics there is a tremendous
>>>>>  amount of deferred maintenance taking place and the TRs are VERY
>>>>>  expensive to play catch up with.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Having said all of this, I have an 86 TR on my web site, it  
>>>>> suffers
>>>>>  from
>>>>>  (Percieved defferred maintenance) ( yes it needs a belt serv.). it
>>>>> has
>>>>>  been owner maintained since 1993/4....every time I see the car and
>>>>>  think about what it represents and what it can be owned for all
>>>>> done,
>>>>>  I ask my self why not just buy it as my long term Ferrari and,
>>>>>
>>>>>  1) I do not like black cars
>>>>>  2) I do not have a burning desire to have a TR
>>>>>  3) There is no way in Hell that I can justify the cost right now
>>>>>  4) I need it like another head
>>>>>
>>>>>  But when I look at the pics and think about what this car
>>>>> represents,
>>>>>  I remind myself why I may do it any way. Besides, it is my opinion
>>>>>  that over the long haul they will turn out to be very good
>>>>> investments
>>>>>  esp. if you value your time/interests as being part of a return.
>>>>>  Phil
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>>>>>  Date: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:27 pm
>>>>>  Subject: [Ferrari] TestaRossa
>>>>>  To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>>>>>  Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>>   I came across this '88 TestaRossa in a
>>>>>> "Classic Cars" Autotrader paper showing a nice '88 TestaRossa
>>>>>> with 24k miles  with a price of $49K.
>>>>>> That's seems to be a low price for such a supercar.  For
>>>>>> the cost of a tricked out SUV people could have a true
>>>>>> Supercar.  I know those are different markets but still,
>>>>>> what a deal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/inv.php?action=display&autoID=710
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Or maybe my understanding of the market
>>>>>> prices of these classic Ferrari's is overstated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later ya'll -
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> .
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