Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics - Not List Material

[Michael James (cavallino_rapante]

Larry, I think you'll find such information fundamentally flawed.  Most folks 
get their health insurance through their employer - as costs rise in healthcare 
and the insurance premiums rise to pay for it, its our nation's employers who 
are taking it in the shorts.  Company profits fall as health care costs rise, 
which makes it more-and-more expensive for US Companies to offer and pay-for 
this benefit to American employees.  Many of these employer-backed plans are 
paring-down benefits that used to be much more all-inclusive years ago.  We're 
paying more, and getting less coverage than ever before.  And I firmly believe 
this fact is part of what is driving US companies to move the bulk of their 
businesses overseas where providing such benefits is unnecessary or radically 
cheaper than what they have to pay in the US.  
 
Let's also not forget that individual deductables have greatly increased over 
the years to stem the tide....and that elderly end-of-life care hasn't reached 
critical-mass yet (the coming tsunami of Baby Boomer retirees demanding care 
well into their 90s will come sooner than you think).  It would be premature to 
determine what, exactly, people should be 'happy' with.  We'll see how happy 
everyone is when six-digit medical bills become the societal norm, and 
insurance companies get to decide who lives and who dies based on what they 
feel like paying-for regarding medical services.  
 
Remember, the private medical insurance community is a for-profit entity first 
and foremost.  Their primary business goal is to make a profit for their 
shareholders - above all else.  Such is the law of Capitalism/Free-Enterprise.  
If they provide us with the services and coverage we need to survive while they 
make a profit, great.  If they can cut corners with our coverage/services to 
continue to make a profit, fine by them.  If they can find a loophole somewhere 
that allows them to 'skip' on covering a $500,000 critical-care medical bill 
and protect THEIR bottom-line, they will.  It's just business.  Never mind the 
financial or medical impact on YOU.  If this situation wasn't happening, 
everywhere, then Tort lawyers would be greatly under-employed - but they're 
not, are they?
 
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why NeoCons insist that "there is no 
problem".....the status quo is somehow 'perfect', because the Rich get to 
afford the greatest healthcare in the world on-demand with no limitations.  
Good for them - the rest of us get rationed healthcare today based on our 
income and job status.
 
Does anyone want to hear about my 308 engine rebuild?
 
M

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:


From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 5:25 PM


Sorry Lee, my memory failed me (again - but I forgot) - it's actually 
between 80% [and 89% cited below] as in <<the Washington Post/ABC Poll, 81% 
of those sampled were satisfied with their present health care insurance 
policy. >>

and <<CNN poll finds that more than 80% of Americans are satisfied with the 
quality of their health care.>>

and <<the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in 
October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their 
own personal medical care, [and] Those with recent serious health problems, 
possibly the people with the best knowledge of how health care is working, 
were generally the most satisfied. Ninety-three percent of insured Americans 
who had recently suffered a serious illness were satisfied with their health 
care. So were 95 percent of those who suffered from chronic illness.>>

and on and on.

LarryT


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From: "Lee S. Lingo" <leescars [at] comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:55 PM
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material

> Larry,
>
> Not even getting into the healthcare reform discussion, but where do you 
> cite your 90% number from & how can you back up your statement as fact 
> that we have the best healthcare system in the world.  While I believe 
> that without a doubt we do, I cannot difinitively prove that as fact.
>
> I was just wondering how you can flame someone else for posting facts they 
> think are true & citing a source to prove it while you can put forth only 
> opinions but post them as truth.  Seems a little arrogant to me.
>
> Oh, and I do not know for sure, but perhaps Mauricio, like me has tired of 
> the elitist rhetoric & hijacking of the list for political topics and only 
> checks his list email every few days.  If that is the case, one might 
> surmise that his email was a response to your last political posting to 
> the list two or three days ago.  I don't know.
>
> I love talking cars with you guys & have found this list an invaluable 
> source of information on many topics over the years, many of which were 
> not car related.  But when it comes to talking politics & religion, most 
> people turn into know-it-all ass holes and we are all no exception to 
> that.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:28 PM
> To: Lee Lingo <leescars [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material
>
> Thanks For that comment Steve!  I love this list because of the depth of
> knowledge - I ask a lot of OT questions about TVs, DVD's Financing and 
> other
> high tech stuff and I always KNOW I'll get a answer - usually it's correct
> to boot! ;-)
>
> BTW, what was Mauricio talking about?  I must have missed something.  His
> comment about Obams spending didn't ring true but Jim fired back before I
> could check facts (thx Jim!).  I know I've heard Obama has spent more in 
> his
> 1st 8 months that all other presidents have before him - combined!  I'll
> find the backup shortly.
>
> As far as the heath car system - we have the best system in the world, it
> costs a lot but that's because we have methods for healing never dreamed 
> of
> before.  Also, IIRC, 90% of the population is happy with their situation.
> If the illegal aliens & young people who don't want or need insurance are
> taken out of the question we have a problem os maybe 10 million - instead 
> of
> turning the medical system over to the USGov, to the tune of $1 tril (most
> likely $3 Tril) we could *buy* them insurance for much less money!  Of
> course,  don't advocate that - the govt doesn't need to be any more 
> involved
> in health insurance and retirement than they already are - it should be 
> less
> but that won't happen - it's like having a car with a flat tire - you fix
> the tire, not buy a whole new car!  Unless you're Mauricio I guess.
>
> Later -
> LarryT
> 
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