Ferrari Mailing List: Lawyers.... No PPI in SF anymore

[philville dejazzd.com (philville]

   I have to believe that we have a few lawyers on this list, I want to
   thank them for the services that they do provide to us all,.....( now
   the other shoe ) I would also like to ask them to respond as to what
   we can do to stop the types of law suits that have actually brought
   many good things to a halt.

   I know that I am reluctant to do business with a lawyer who I do not
   know T least until I have had an opportunity to spend a little time
   with them on the phone or via e mail........I fear that part of the
   ptoblem is the old chicken and the egg routine.....as with used car
   salesman, some times the client is the problem

   Any opinions??

   Thanks, Phil
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Misc <misc [at] 308systems.com>
   Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:22 am
   Subject: RE: [Ferrari] No PPI  in SF anymore
   To: philville [at] dejazzd.com, Mark <misc [at] 308systems.com>
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > Dang.
   >
   > What ever happened to civility and love thy neighbor as thyself?
   >
   > Wishfull thinking perhaps, especially in a land overpopulated
   > with (1)
   > lawyers, and (2) those who have no shame using them.
   >
   > Mark Lueker
   > 308 SYSTEMS Inc.
   > 970-282-7006
   > www.308systems.com
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: philville dejazzd.com [mailto:philville [at] dejazzd.com]
   > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:26 PM
   > To: Mark
   > Cc: The FerrariList
   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] No PPI in SF anymore
   >
   >
   >
   >    I remember when Mike Sheehan first wrote this piece
   > in "05" and how it
   >    made my blood boil, it does so again two years
   > later.......I have seen
   >    and, been indirectly involved with legal issues
   > some of which should
   >    have been resolved with bare knuckles behind a bar
   > some where.....Once
   >    I was drawn into a law suit because of my position
   > with an authorized
   >    dealer that was truly ludicrous....a man, an
   > existing client of this
   >    same authorized dealer ( oh I forgot to mention, he
   > was a lawyer )
   >    sued because we would not  ( could not ) sell
   > him a Testarossa....we
   >    were already over our allocation in orders, need I
   > tell you, he won,
   >    Ferrari made a deal with him, the particulars of
   > which I have never
   >    known and of course it cost our agency some number
   > of dollars plus a
   >    future allocation...but then he was a lawyer. It
   > was not long after
   >    that that our company stopped selling at list
   > price....so, he won his
   >    point, entitlement includes the wealthy no matter
   > who loses....and in
   >    this case the enthusiasts lost.
   >
   >    About a year later I threw in the towel....probably
   > left a ton of
   >    money on the table but I can tell you I have never
   > regretted a minute
   >    of it....you can not imagine what some Ferrari
   > owners will do if they
   >    think some one might have made a profit or god
   > forbid didn't get their
   >    entitlement.
   >
   >    When called upon to perform a PPI, my first
   > disclaimer is that I will
   >    look at a car and tell you if I would buy it....if
   > you need a full
   >    mechanical PDI I can refer you to some other masochist.
   >
   >    Mike Sheehan and Bruce Trenery got it right when
   > they said " we would
   >    not be having this conversation if the market was
   > still going up"
   >
   >    The world of Ferrari was a much more satisfying
   > place to be in and do
   >    business in until too much money got into the
   > game......but   interstingly enough, if you look at
   > many of the people buying those
   >    sub $50k cars today, I actually think they are
   > driving, enjoying, and
   >    appreciating what they have.
   >
   >    Stick around it will all start again....someday.
   > (Unfortunately)   Phil
   >
   >    ----- Original Message -----
   >    From: Paul Bennett <pbennett [at] macnet.com>
   >    Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:41 pm
   >    Subject: [Ferrari] No PPI  in SF anymore
   >    To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   >    Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   >    > Why no PPI are done in SF any longer.
   >    >
   >    > http://www.sportscarmarket.com/Sheehan-
   > Speaks/2009/October/   >
   >    > Good read - the story of a simple 365GTC/4 which
   > made several
   >    > trips to
   >    > Hawaii, and human nature of the
   > owner(s).   The
   >    > maintenance which was
   >    > performed on this car far outvalues the car but
   > not the lawyers.
   >    >
   >    >
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