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Re: SECURITY ISSUES
From: Doug and Terri Anderson (dntdock.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Jim - can't recall the show - it was one of those late night guest speaker things.  How to defend your self, your property, your family thing - - - AND what not to do.  The speakers point was don't pull a gun unless you can and intend to truly use it.  Case was a young thing, after the bar scene she and Bozo go to her car and carry on a bit.  The guy gets a little too rough and doesn't understand nyet, no, nein, uh-uh.  Girl gets scared, she pulls her 25 pistol - or some other small purse type gun.  Guy gets all "Hey baby - geeeese, I wasn't gonna hurt ya, here put that thing away before somebody gets hurt."  She gets embarrassed, yeah, I must've over-reacted.  Police find her along side of the road alive, but with 5 or 6 bullets in her.
 
On the point nothing in your house is worth the life of the owner, wife or kids - have to agree here.  I am not an attorney so one of you who is or at least knows the difference chime in anytime - I believe there is a definition for committing a crime of theft when no one is around vs committing the same theft when someone is around but they are not confronted vs commit the same theft holding people at bay.
 
The unfortunate thing is the price of your life to some criminals (for what ever reason) is zero compared to what they are after.
 
Me?  Hey, I went out for track - I prefer to run and life to fight again.  BUT that said, if someone is downstairs in our two story home and they are making no pretext at being quiet - they either think no one is home or who ever is home is nothing.  For the first one - turning on a light in a room may scare them away.  For the later - you better have some escape plan or method to defend.  There is unfortunately no "A" or "B" test.  You guess wrong on the later dude or dudette you donna get a second chance - usually.
 
I once knew the Dean of Police Science at U of So Cal.  He was a full Colonel in the Reserve - one summer camp we were discussing "rehabilitation."  He suggested it may not exist for many folks who were incarcerated.  Wha?  Yep, they need "Habilitation" first as they have no set of values of what is theirs and what is yours.  Explain sez I.  OK - you are walking down the street and a $20 blows by - you pick it up - yes?  Yes. - its yours.  Now same $20 bill in found in a grocery store - ok, this one is iffy and you handle it.  Next is same $20 bill on top of a counter by a cash register and no one is around - - less iffy.  Next is same $20 bill but it is in a locked register.  Much less iffy.  To the common criminal - all situations are the same - you are holding on to his $20 bill, or TV, or car until he wants it.  You are just an administrator of his belongings until such time as he demands rightful custody of the goods.  Then there are the types that remove any resistance first and rifle through your pockets until they find that $20 bill - but your dead.  Witness the sad cabby tales.
 
The later is what sets me to seek the higher ground but not necessarily greet the bastard by blasting them back through the window they just crawled though.  Tho if in my mind either me or my family were confronted by a person who had deadly intent - why then there is NO argument.  Fire away and always shoot three times and start low and to the left.
 
NEVER have I had to confront ANY situation (to my knowledge) that would end up poorly.  Thank heavens - I try to avoid the macro errors by avoiding testy situations.  Guess I have been lucky.
 
DOUG
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To: DOUG
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES

Doug,

that statistic is "highly questionable" at best.

What radio show - if you remember - sounds like anti- gun 
propaganda to me.

FWIW, anyone who thinks a burglar won't hurt/kill you or your
family if given the chance, needs to rethink that!

Jim

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On Jul 2, 2010, at 6:22 AM, "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

I once heard on a radio show that a lot of women are killed with their own gun because after pulling on an assailant - they are sweet talked out of the weapon, which, unfortunately, is used to kill them. 
DOUG
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To: DOUG
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES

So true, Clyde. If you are thinking about a gun for home defense, then get trained and do recurrent training. So basic .

Ever had red mist on the track?

On 7/2/2010 6:18 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net wrote: 
Dale as a purple heart owner bottom line is (and I say owner rather than winner because getting wounded doesn't make me feel like a winner)
Is that if you are not mentally prepared to die then go defensive and run an call for help
Each one of is has to make that call well before the time happens
I can speak from experience when I say that carrying a weapon and using it when you need too are too totally different things
Direct fire combat is a bitch and don't let anyone tell you different!
Being fully mentally  prepared to engage the enemy is the key to a sucessful engagement regardless of the environment since most likely unless it is in your home you will have no chance to choose this as well!
Good Hunting!

Clyde
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From: dale sailors <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:33:36 
To: Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES

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