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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:25
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
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Right you are - just as child molesters
are *never* "cured", I suspect many other types of criminals are sure to
resume their life of crime once released. Jail is a minor deterrent in
my mind as criminals never believe they'll get caught much less go to
jail. It's the people on this list who worry about jail - and avoid
committing crimes so they never go to a jail.
It's been proven over and over that child
molesters will molest again when free. One state kept a man confined
after his jail term because he freely admitted he planned to molest as soon as
possible. No nice people - wired differently. I wouldn?t want one
around my grandkids -
LarryT
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES
Hi Jim - can't recall the show - it was one of
those late night guest speaker things. How to defend your self, your
property, your family thing - - - AND what not to do. The speakers point
was don't pull a gun unless you can and intend to truly use it.
Case was a young thing, after the bar scene she and Bozo go to her car and
carry on a bit. The guy gets a little too rough and doesn't understand
nyet, no, nein, uh-uh. Girl gets scared, she pulls her 25 pistol - or
some other small purse type gun. Guy gets all "Hey baby - geeeese, I
wasn't gonna hurt ya, here put that thing away before somebody gets
hurt." She gets embarrassed, yeah, I must've over-reacted. Police
find her along side of the road alive, but with 5 or 6 bullets in
her.
On the point nothing in your house is worth the
life of the owner, wife or kids - have to agree here. I am not an
attorney so one of you who is or at least knows the difference chime in
anytime - I believe there is a definition for committing a crime of theft when
no one is around vs committing the same theft when someone is around but they
are not confronted vs commit the same theft holding people at
bay.
The unfortunate thing is the price of your life
to some criminals (for what ever reason) is zero compared to what they are
after.
Me? Hey, I went out for track - I prefer to
run and life to fight again. BUT that said, if someone is downstairs in
our two story home and they are making no pretext at being quiet - they either
think no one is home or who ever is home is nothing. For the first one -
turning on a light in a room may scare them away. For the later - you
better have some escape plan or method to defend. There is unfortunately
no "A" or "B" test. You guess wrong on the later dude or dudette you
donna get a second chance - usually.
I once knew the Dean of Police Science at U of So
Cal. He was a full Colonel in the Reserve - one summer camp we were
discussing "rehabilitation." He suggested it may not exist for many
folks who were incarcerated. Wha? Yep, they need "Habilitation"
first as they have no set of values of what is theirs and what is yours.
Explain sez I. OK - you are walking down the street and a $20 blows by -
you pick it up - yes? Yes. - its yours. Now same $20 bill in found
in a grocery store - ok, this one is iffy and you handle it. Next is
same $20 bill on top of a counter by a cash register and no one is around - -
less iffy. Next is same $20 bill but it is in a locked register.
Much less iffy. To the common criminal - all situations are the same -
you are holding on to his $20 bill, or TV, or car until he wants
it. You are just an administrator of his belongings until such time as
he demands rightful custody of the goods. Then there are the types that
remove any resistance first and rifle through your pockets until they
find that $20 bill - but your dead. Witness the sad cabby
tales.
The later is what sets me to seek the higher
ground but not necessarily greet the bastard by blasting them back through the
window they just crawled though. Tho if in my mind either me or my
family were confronted by a person who had deadly intent - why then there is
NO argument. Fire away and always shoot three times and start low and to
the left.
NEVER have I had to confront ANY situation (to my
knowledge) that would end up poorly. Thank heavens - I try to avoid the
macro errors by avoiding testy situations. Guess I have been
lucky.
DOUG
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:13
AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
ISSUES
Doug,
that statistic is "highly questionable" at best.
What radio show - if you remember - sounds like anti- gun
propaganda to me.
FWIW, anyone who thinks a burglar won't hurt/kill you or your
family if given the chance, needs to rethink that!
Jim
Sent from my iPad
I once heard on a radio show that a lot of
women are killed with their own gun because after pulling on an assailant
- they are sweet talked out of the weapon, which, unfortunately, is used
to kill them.
DOUG
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:18
AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
ISSUES
So true, Clyde. If you are
thinking about a gun for home defense, then get trained and do recurrent
training. So basic .
Ever had red mist on the
track?
On 7/2/2010 6:18 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net
wrote:
Dale as a purple heart owner bottom line is (and I say owner rather than winner because getting wounded doesn't make me feel like a winner)
Is that if you are not mentally prepared to die then go defensive and run an call for help
Each one of is has to make that call well before the time happens
I can speak from experience when I say that carrying a weapon and using it when you need too are too totally different things
Direct fire combat is a bitch and don't let anyone tell you different!
Being fully mentally prepared to engage the enemy is the key to a sucessful engagement regardless of the environment since most likely unless it is in your home you will have no chance to choose this as well!
Good Hunting!
Clyde
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:33:36
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Subject: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES
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