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When I worked for a local goverment DP department I
got to know the head of the corrections department, and he told me that sadly an
innocent individual does not know the legal in's and out's of the legal system
will spend more time behind bars during
the prelimanary process then the hardened
criminal.
Why the innocent guy, says he is not guilty (how
many people in jail say they are not guilty) the coorections officers have heard
it all b4, and they have really bad working conditions, they are to
compsationate (unless they are new and have not been s#$t on
and I don't mean figurealy.
When I lived in Californa the 2nd time I was a free
lance photographer. I was processing photo when I heard a crash. Went out side
and say an old truck with its bumper hung up on my Mustang and he was burning
rubber trying to pull away. He could
not, so he got out of the truck and ran off, but
not b4 I got a good look at him.
I went accross the street to a gas station and
found a witness. He said the truck came around the corner, the drivers door came
open, the drver fell out, the truck ran into my car.
So I called the Van Nuys Police and said I had a
hit and run. They asked if I was injured, NO. They told me to call my
innsurance. I said no you don't understand my car was hit by a truck, the
driver ran but the truck is still attached to my car.
They sent a patrol car, took the witness and
my statement and got a wrecker to take the truck to the impound.
A week later there is a pounding on my door 'open
up the police' , was yelled. I opened the door and all of my neighbors had
their doors open. I invited 2 detectives in. They asked if I was ,
then they spread a bunch of mug shots on the table and asked me to pick the
driver out. I did. One said to the other he lied, you know how much we
don't like liars, and left.
You have to remember this is the 70's I had my car
fixed for a $100. The court day came, my witness showed up ( he was a
salesman and this was eating into his work, I was flexable, so it did not impact
me much. The drivers lawyer got a continuence.
When they came out I told the lawyer I was the
owner of the car and I saw his client and the cars damage
was $100.
Don't you think it is wrong to drag it out like
this. He agreed, his client told him he had totaled the my car. He went b4
the judge
plead guilty paid me $100.
Rules don't change wheather some one is guilty, The
girl is still dead and he did it. The police we only interested when they were
lied too.
I'll get off my soap box now.
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
ISSUES
That is not a problem with the justice system - it is a problem
for the idiot cops that questioned a suspect without reading the damn card
they were given during their training. The Rights aren;t there for the
bad guys - they are there for the rest of us.
Scottie
On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:48 PM, stephen wrote:
21 years ago my wife and I were riding my ZX-10
when we came up on a crime seen. We followed the bizzare story in the
paper:
He had already been convicted of indecent
liberties with a child
He went to the county jail to be
held and transported to prison
The jail was full and with no place
to hold him he was let go
A
child was reported missing
He was
pcked up, questioned and took the sheriff to the seen we had come
upon.
The
child was found burried in a chicken pen like he said.
He could not be
tried for this crime because he was not given his
rights.
All I could think of was a Paul Harvey
story:
Sunday 2 men raped a
boy.
Monday the 2 men were tried
and sentenced
Tuesday the 2 men were
beheaded.
The rest of the story:
There are no
repeat sex offender in Soudi Arabia.
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:25
PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES
Right you are - just as child
molesters are *never* "cured", I suspect many other types of criminals
are sure to resume their life of crime once released. Jail is a minor
deterrent in my mind as criminals never believe they'll get caught much less
go to jail. It's the people on this list who worry about jail - and
avoid committing crimes so they never go to a jail.
It's been proven over and over that child
molesters will molest again when free. One state kept a man confined
after his jail term because he freely admitted he planned to molest as soon
as possible. No nice people - wired differently. I wouldn’t want
one around my grandkids -
LarryT
Sent: Friday, July
02, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES
Hi Jim - can't recall the show - it was one of
those late night guest speaker things. How to defend your self, your
property, your family thing - - - AND what not to do. The speakers
point was don't pull a gun unless you can and intend to truly use
it. Case was a young thing, after the bar scene she and Bozo go to her
car and carry on a bit. The guy gets a little too rough and doesn't
understand nyet, no, nein, uh-uh. Girl gets scared, she pulls her 25
pistol - or some other small purse type gun. Guy gets all "Hey baby -
geeeese, I wasn't gonna hurt ya, here put that thing away before somebody
gets hurt." She gets embarrassed, yeah, I must've over-reacted.
Police find her along side of the road alive, but with 5 or 6 bullets in
her.
On the point nothing in your house is worth the
life of the owner, wife or kids - have to agree here. I am not an
attorney so one of you who is or at least knows the difference chime in
anytime - I believe there is a definition for committing a crime of theft
when no one is around vs committing the same theft when someone is around
but they are not confronted vs commit the same theft holding people at
bay.
The unfortunate thing is the price of your life
to some criminals (for what ever reason) is zero compared to what they are
after.
Me? Hey, I went out for track - I prefer
to run and life to fight again. BUT that said, if someone is
downstairs in our two story home and they are making no pretext at being
quiet - they either think no one is home or who ever is home is
nothing. For the first one - turning on a light in a room may scare
them away. For the later - you better have some escape plan or method
to defend. There is unfortunately no "A" or "B" test. You guess
wrong on the later dude or dudette you donna get a second chance -
usually.
I once knew the Dean of Police Science at U of
So Cal. He was a full Colonel in the Reserve - one summer camp we were
discussing "rehabilitation." He suggested it may not exist for many
folks who were incarcerated. Wha? Yep, they need "Habilitation"
first as they have no set of values of what is theirs and what is
yours. Explain sez I. OK - you are walking down the street and a
$20 blows by - you pick it up - yes? Yes. - its yours. Now same
$20 bill in found in a grocery store - ok, this one is iffy and you handle
it. Next is same $20 bill on top of a counter by a cash register and
no one is around - - less iffy. Next is same $20 bill but it is in a
locked register. Much less iffy. To the common criminal - all
situations are the same - you are holding on to his $20 bill, or TV, or
car until he wants it. You are just an administrator of his
belongings until such time as he demands rightful custody of the
goods. Then there are the types that remove any resistance
first and rifle through your pockets until they find that $20 bill -
but your dead. Witness the sad cabby tales.
The later is what sets me to seek the higher
ground but not necessarily greet the bastard by blasting them back through
the window they just crawled though. Tho if in my mind either me or my
family were confronted by a person who had deadly intent - why then there is
NO argument. Fire away and always shoot three times and start low and
to the left.
NEVER have I had to confront ANY situation (to
my knowledge) that would end up poorly. Thank heavens - I try to avoid
the macro errors by avoiding testy situations. Guess I have been
lucky.
DOUG
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:13
AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
ISSUES
Doug,
that statistic is "highly questionable" at best.
What radio show - if you remember - sounds like anti- gun
propaganda to me.
FWIW, anyone who thinks a burglar won't hurt/kill you or your
family if given the chance, needs to rethink that!
Jim
Sent from my iPad
I once heard on a radio show that a lot of
women are killed with their own gun because after pulling on an
assailant - they are sweet talked out of the weapon, which,
unfortunately, is used to kill them.
DOUG
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:18
AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
ISSUES
So true, Clyde. If you
are thinking about a gun for home defense, then get trained and do
recurrent training. So basic .
Ever had red mist on
the track?
On 7/2/2010 6:18
AM, clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net wrote:
Dale as a purple heart owner bottom line is (and I say owner rather than winner because getting wounded doesn't make me feel like a winner)
Is that if you are not mentally prepared to die then go defensive and run an call for help
Each one of is has to make that call well before the time happens
I can speak from experience when I say that carrying a weapon and using it when you need too are too totally different things
Direct fire combat is a bitch and don't let anyone tell you different!
Being fully mentally prepared to engage the enemy is the key to a sucessful engagement regardless of the environment since most likely unless it is in your home you will have no chance to choose this as well!
Good Hunting!
Clyde
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:33:36
To: Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] SECURITY ISSUES
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