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Doug et al,
Brings to mind "situational awareness", luck, and "never walk towards a
fight". Strange story, one time several lifetimes ago a friend of mine and
I were up in Lacross, WI for Oktoberfest. We'd had "several" beers, we
were just walking down the sidewalk on a pretty deserted part of town, and all
of a sudden there were two other guys, one standing across from each one of
us.
WTF? My buddy Jim was a big (6'3" or so) guy, long hair, big mustache,
strong guy, just your basic really cool dude. Me, I'm 5'9" or so, small
frame. Guy across from me was about my size, guy across from Jim was
smaller than him. As far as I remember no one had said anything, but all
of a sudden, for no apparent reason (maybe someone looked crosseyed at someone
else?) things went to two "one on ones". Or, actually, one "one on one" as
Jim and the other guy went at it. Jim didn't seem to be having any
trouble, so the guy across from me ran over there and was going to start beating
on Jim. I put my glasses on a car parked at the curb and was starting to
run over to help, when all of a sudden a cop car comes around. ??
Stopped everything, told us all to get the hell back to where we were sleeping,
and now that's really all I can remember about the incident.
But, just goes to show that things can happen and be over so fast you're not
sure they really happened, unless you are dead or seriously injured, in which
case you won't even know it, (but your friends, family, etc. will) or you'll
wake up and have to live with what happened for the rest of your
life.
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa, OK
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:09
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Hi Jim - can't recall the show - it was one of
those late night guest speaker things. How to defend your self, your
property, your family thing - - - AND what not to do. The speakers point
was don't pull a gun unless you can and intend to truly use it.
Case was a young thing, after the bar scene she and Bozo go to her car and
carry on a bit. The guy gets a little too rough and doesn't understand
nyet, no, nein, uh-uh. Girl gets scared, she pulls her 25 pistol - or
some other small purse type gun. Guy gets all "Hey baby - geeeese, I
wasn't gonna hurt ya, here put that thing away before somebody gets
hurt." She gets embarrassed, yeah, I must've over-reacted. Police
find her along side of the road alive, but with 5 or 6 bullets in
her.
On the point nothing in your house is worth the
life of the owner, wife or kids - have to agree here. I am not an
attorney so one of you who is or at least knows the difference chime in
anytime - I believe there is a definition for committing a crime of theft when
no one is around vs committing the same theft when someone is around but they
are not confronted vs commit the same theft holding people at
bay.
The unfortunate thing is the price of your life
to some criminals (for what ever reason) is zero compared to what they are
after.
Me? Hey, I went out for track - I prefer to
run and life to fight again. BUT that said, if someone is downstairs in
our two story home and they are making no pretext at being quiet - they either
think no one is home or who ever is home is nothing. For the first one -
turning on a light in a room may scare them away. For the later - you
better have some escape plan or method to defend. There is unfortunately
no "A" or "B" test. You guess wrong on the later dude or dudette you
donna get a second chance - usually.
I once knew the Dean of Police Science at U of So
Cal. He was a full Colonel in the Reserve - one summer camp we were
discussing "rehabilitation." He suggested it may not exist for many
folks who were incarcerated. Wha? Yep, they need "Habilitation"
first as they have no set of values of what is theirs and what is yours.
Explain sez I. OK - you are walking down the street and a $20 blows by -
you pick it up - yes? Yes. - its yours. Now same $20 bill in found
in a grocery store - ok, this one is iffy and you handle it. Next is
same $20 bill on top of a counter by a cash register and no one is around - -
less iffy. Next is same $20 bill but it is in a locked register.
Much less iffy. To the common criminal - all situations are the same -
you are holding on to his $20 bill, or TV, or car until he wants
it. You are just an administrator of his belongings until such time as
he demands rightful custody of the goods. Then there are the types that
remove any resistance first and rifle through your pockets until they
find that $20 bill - but your dead. Witness the sad cabby
tales.
The later is what sets me to seek the higher
ground but not necessarily greet the bastard by blasting them back through the
window they just crawled though. Tho if in my mind either me or my
family were confronted by a person who had deadly intent - why then there is
NO argument. Fire away and always shoot three times and start low and to
the left.
NEVER have I had to confront ANY situation (to my
knowledge) that would end up poorly. Thank heavens - I try to avoid the
macro errors by avoiding testy situations. Guess I have been
lucky.
DOUG
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:13
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
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Doug,
that statistic is "highly questionable" at best.
What radio show - if you remember - sounds like anti- gun
propaganda to me.
FWIW, anyone who thinks a burglar won't hurt/kill you or your
family if given the chance, needs to rethink that!
Jim
Sent from my iPad
I once heard on a radio show that a lot of
women are killed with their own gun because after pulling on an assailant
- they are sweet talked out of the weapon, which, unfortunately, is used
to kill them.
DOUG
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:18
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SECURITY
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So true, Clyde. If you are
thinking about a gun for home defense, then get trained and do recurrent
training. So basic .
Ever had red mist on the
track?
On 7/2/2010 6:18 AM, clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net
wrote:
Dale as a purple heart owner bottom line is (and I say owner rather than winner because getting wounded doesn't make me feel like a winner)
Is that if you are not mentally prepared to die then go defensive and run an call for help
Each one of is has to make that call well before the time happens
I can speak from experience when I say that carrying a weapon and using it when you need too are too totally different things
Direct fire combat is a bitch and don't let anyone tell you different!
Being fully mentally prepared to engage the enemy is the key to a sucessful engagement regardless of the environment since most likely unless it is in your home you will have no chance to choose this as well!
Good Hunting!
Clyde
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 22:33:36
To: Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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