Ferrari Mailing List: Re: [NO Ferrari] Car replacement time

[Mark (misc]

After our disastrous experience with a Volvo XC90, I could not recommend a
Volvo to Osama Bin Laden.....


Mark Lueker
308 SYSTEMS Inc
www.308systems.com
970-282-7006



-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:20 PM
To: Mark
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] [NO Ferrari] Car replacement time

Look at the Volvo XC60.

On 10/29/10, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> wrote:
> I would disagree with that, although obviously there are variations.
>
>
>
> My 1998 Durango is past 350,000 miles (bought new). I had a spate of
> problems around 75k miles, but after those were fixed it has been
> relatively trouble free and quite a workhorse. Still on the original
> transmission which is impressive for a domestic automatic. The 5.9l V8
> is plenty strong for its size.
>
>
>
> My 2006 SRT-10 pickup has 130,000 miles (bought new) on the Viper motor
> with the only significant problem being a broken valve spring around 95k
> miles, fixed under extended warranty. Other than that, it's been
> terrific - far better than my brother's 08 Hummer H2 which he finally
> sold after a big group of repeating problems, and similar issues with my
> dad's Yukon Denali and GMC 2500 diesel trucks. And of course, living in
> South Carolina, I get a lot more compliments on the Viper truck than I
> do on my Ferraris...
>
>
>
> I will say I'm religious about maintenance and don't do things that I
> know to be mechanically bad for the machine, but overall my experience
> with Dodge has been quite good, and they're the only domestic dealer in
> town (Rick Hendrick's) that I've used that I don't think is a pack of
> crooks.
>
>
>
> -- charles
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mike Fleischer [mailto:themightytoe [at] gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:49 AM
> To: Charles Perry
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] [NO Ferrari] Car replacement time
>
>
>
> I just feel very sorry for any poor soul who buys a Dodge...
>
> Any kind of Dodge.  Its like a Toyota without the reliability.
> Automotive Cream of Wheat (with no sugar).
>
> On 10/29/2010 8:15 AM, Phil Tegtmeier wrote:
>
> Has any one looked at the Dodge Grand Caravan recently....I have not,
> but have seen a couple in parking lots and they appear to be a little
> bigger,beefier and have more of the trick stuff.
> Just a thought
> Phil
> On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Mike Fleischer wrote:
>
> Ah
>
> Well hate to say it (BTW nice on the Cambridge lady D)....
>
> Chevy Avalanche
> Ford F150 Extended cab
> Ford F150 Raptor (costs more, bet definitely has the cool factor)
>
> Seriously anything else is just a glorified minivan, so you might as
> well go with Dennis and get the Odyssey...  Try and find a good use for
> the lipstick holder :).  Those trucks, at least, would haul your Elise
> to the track and back :), and other toys.  Also you are in the South
> now, its not Detroit, if you don't drive a pickup people will be looking
> for your pinky ring.
>
> As for the Elise...  I was in the hunt for one when the Vette found
> me...  Cool little cars, but the road trip I took this summer, I would
> never have attempted in an Elise.  Snappy at the limit and requires
> contortion and flexibility to get out of one (and perhaps Crisco),
> though I am pretty small.  Q-porte is pretty, no idea on reliability,
> seems unlikely it would go 200k without costing a fortune.  Good luck!
>
> BR,
> Mike
>
> On 10/28/2010 12:46 PM, Dennis Liu wrote:The killer part of your query
> is the two dogs -- at some point, when your daughter gets old enough and
> you start schlepping lots of kidlet friends around, you're going to need
> a decent-sized SUV or better yet, station wagon, so the dogs can get the
> back (mostly) to themselves.
>
>
> My immediate recommendation is a Subaru - Forester or Outback.  Meets
> all of your requirements thoroughly, except perhaps the "kinda cool"
> thing.  Unless you're a lesbian from Cambridge and you haven't told us.
>
> If it were me, I'd happily suck it up and buy a fully loaded Odyssey,
> with the rear DVD.  Something smaller?  Mazda 5.  But since I'm sure
> you'd hate the thought of that, perhaps an Acura MDX - better than the
> Lexus, IMHO.  Followed closely by the Infiniti FX35/45.  Mazda CX-9 too.
>
>
> The European SUVs/crossovers are more expensive and less reliable,
> though I'd consider the Cayenne, or better yet, the Turbodiesel Toureg,
> if you can find one.  Or the Audi Q7 diesel.  All of these, and the BMW
> X5/X3 and MB ML/GLK can go to 200k miles, but will require $$$$ in
> maintenance, much more so than the Japanese.  Some like the Volvo XC90,
> but I try not to think about it.
>
> I'd personally prefer a wagon, like the A6 / Allroad, or the E350 or
> 535xi.
>
> Something new?  If you can get over your bowtie-red leaning, consider
> the 2011 Ford Edge sport.
>
> HTH!
>
> vty,
>
> --Dennis
>
>
> From: Lee Lingo [mailto:lee.s.lingo [at] gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:02 PM
> To: The FerrariList; Dennis Liu
> Subject: Car replacement time
>
>
> Hi folks, long time no post.
>
> Been relocating from Detroit, MI, to Madisonville, Ky.  Most of my time
> has been taken up orchestrating the whole shebang.
>
> Anyway, the family truckster, our '02 Olds Bravada thats responsible for
> carting us, our daughter, our two huskys and various gear to and fro is
> starting to show serious signs of hesitation when doing its chores.
> Despite the fact that I'd planned to keep driving it to 250k, it looks
> like it'll fall 75k short of my goal.
>
> So I'm looking for a new work horse.  I'm open to suggestions, any and
> all.
>
> Requirements are that it gets decent gas mileage, have the ability to
> haul 3 people and two dogs when necessary, be kinda cool since I'll be
> driving it mostly, be relatively lite on repair costs and if possible,
> moderately maintainable by me, be well built enough to last 200k MI, and
> lastly, $40k or less.  Preferably much less.  I set the bar @ 40 because
> that's what it would cost to replace the Bravada with a like kind/size
> new vehicle.  I'm open to new and used.
>
> That being said, I would like to solicit the collective knowledge trust
> for real info on the Porsche Cayenne turbo & Maserati QP in particular.
> And as an aside, the Lotus Elise as well.
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions and feel free to reply direct if you
> prefer.
>
> Lee Lingo
>
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