Hi Mike,
While you have much more experience with the 550 that I
do, I take exception to your take on the design/styling. IMHO, it is a
direct and natural descendant of the â71 Daytona â to my eyes the lines of the 2
are very much a part of the Ferrari lineage.
As far as the performance, I suspect Iâd be happy with
it, even if some might find it mediocre. As far as a GT3 I think
they are too race-ready for my tastes, Iâd go for the new 2011 911S Turbo which
I believe will do 0-60 in 3.1 seconds ( ! WOW). I wonder how long it
takes for the brain to return to its normal position after acceleration like
that? 
Have a nice weekend -
LarryT
74 911
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
Lash, I
read this and I just laughed and laughed... This from a guy who loves old
muscle cars? Not caring about panel fit? Seriously? There was
a big guy from Dearborn, who dropped out of the 5th grade, with a big rubber
mallet standing at the end of the assembly line. He was in charge of panel
fit... dude got around too. As for new Porsche's and
Ferrari's... I'd take a 911 GT3 even if they did put the motor in the
wrong place, that's a car that remembers to be fun to drive first and a video
game a distant second... I still do not get the love for the
550/75, bland styling at best (can anyone say Nissan 300zx meets 1980's
Corvette?), and Corvette (C5 coupe, not today's car) performance (in a straight
line only) at 5 times the price? I drove a 550 at TWS many many years ago
(when they were still new) and it was at best mediocre. It was heavy,
under braked and handled only decently, sounded nice but the 355's sounded much
better. I had more fun in my E36 M3. Seriously you have to have been
significantly brainwashed by the F-marketing to fall in love with that
car. My $ 0.02... It'll be parked in ghetto's near you soon
enough... On 11/12/2010 7:30 PM, LS wrote:
" I had a really good look at a 550 a few years back. For me, that
car was the turning point for Ferrari."
Indeed, the turning point where
things went bad...now we have cruise control and cupholders.
Ed, you
associate things like panel fit with whether a car is good or not. That may be
important to you, but not to everyone.
The old Ferraris are as reliable
if not more than the new ones or any Porsche.
If given the choice
between a new Ferrari or a Porsche, I would honestly rather punch myself in
the nuts first.
But, at least the Ferrari would guarantee a parking
space out in front.
LS
From: E M mailto:pokiebaron [at] gmail.com
To: LS mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 8:15:04
PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SAY
IT AIN'T SO
Porsche and Mercedes are now building proper cars
again, after a decade of building cars down to a cost, some of which in my
opinion were junk. I was amazed at the panel fit when I had a really
good look at a 550 a few years back. For me, that car was the turning
point for Ferrari. I still stand by what I said regarding real world
driving though. Take a new Ferrari, and a new Porsche. Rip up both
warranties, drive them daily, year round for 5 years. Subject them both
to the same mileage, weather, and occasional weekend DE flogging, and I'd pin
my money on the Porsche. That's not to say I wouldn't love to park a
Ferrari in my garage. :-) I do still feel bad, even after
apologizing to a fellow profusely, for drooling all over his parked 458.
If only they offered the car with a manual trans!
Ed 911SC
On 12 November 2010 19:39, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
" I think Ferraris would show themselves to be not quite
at the durability level of Porsche, or several other Germany
brands."
In 1981 maybe, not anymore Ed!!! It's a
different world....the German cars have reputations and comprehensive
warranties now. Now, if they could only find the soldering gun and
multimeter. LS
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 4:49:46
PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari]
SAY IT AIN'T SO
I would imagine Fiat's money is what pretty much keeps the
Maser brand going. As for independence, as far as I know, Ferrari road
cars, and I believe their F1 efforts too, are owned by Fiat. Not a bad
thing, for Ferrari or their owners. I don't think Ferrari is
so much keeping Maserati going. I think it's more due to Fiat willing
to put more money into developing an engine and other bits, knowing it will
be shared with a few models. The economy of scale in ways. I
think Ferrari have come a long long way with build quality, and reliability,
but I don't think they're doing anything the Germans are worried
about. Take any Ferrari model, and a random Porsche model. Drive
both the same miles, over 5 years, through all weather conditions (real
winters, salt, parked outside in the hot sun, and of course, flogged on the
track on weekends), and see how they both compare in the end. Hope
you don't take this post the wrong way, I LUUUV Ferraris, but subjected to
the same beatings a lot of Porsches get, I think Ferraris would show
themselves to be not quite at the durability level of Porsche, or
several other Germany brands. Ed 911SC
On 12 November 2010 16:22, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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Dale-
If it wasn't for the Ferrari infustion of cash and
Ferrari-engineered/built drivetrains, Maserati would no longer
exist. Who provided Showroom floor-space for the Maser
re-introduction into the US? Whose cash STILL keeps the
company afloat? I rest my case.
Unlike Lambo, whose independence-demise could be directly
tagged to their quality issues, Ferrari doesn't have that
problem. Ferrari could probably teach VW a thing or two about
quality these days - all the German brands are suffering, limping-by
on their 'prestige'. Ferrari is not vulnerable, nor is there a
need for new ideas at Maranello that German engineering would be
welcome.
From:
dale sailors <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Subject:
[Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc:
ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date:
Thursday, November 11, 2010, 3:47 PM
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Hello,
VW buying FERRARI in part? Wow!
I've owned two VW Things (Type 181) and known several
advanced VW tuners of the air cooled flat 4 motors.
Interesting but quality conttrol and finish was iffy. Parts
get high quick too. Just try pricing a set of side curtains
whose windows yellow in 24 months, a wiper motor or anything
for the 1973 gas heater! I had some negative experience too
with the early diesel RABBIT (admittedly on Mexico sourced
diesel fuel). The Mexico made HORMIGA heavy truck based on
the RABBIT was durable if bog slow though.
BUGGATI and LAMBORGHINI have survived VW ownership fairly
well it seems? I can't see FERRARI and LAMBO with the same
owner though. I would even hate to see VW get MASERATI, the
"trident" has suffered enough under FIATand FERRARI (of
course my idea of MASERATI is a TYPO 60/61/6364/65
or
151 or 450S. FIAT should keep ALFA ROMEO too, it
complements FERRARI and MASERATI nicely. If anything FIAT
should dump CHRYSLER on VW.
Just my ideas,
Dale |
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