Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F1

[E M (pokiebaron]

Best technology has little to do with F1 or road cars.  They are after the easy or more importantly, proven methods.  F1 is not pushed cutting edge, and it's not trying to.  It's working within the rules, and what their budgets will allow them to develop.  

If you want cutting edge, how about saying no limit on upper rpm, and ban traditional cam shafts all together.  Develop a valve system based on solenoids, no reciprocating mass, super light weight, no valve float, and best of all, easy and useful to adapt to road cars, both econo boxes, and exotics.

It's not about being cutting edge, it's about be perceived as being cutting edge.  Most of the cutting edge stuff that does happen, has little real world application on roads cars.  A lot of what does, never makes it off the drawing boards.

Ed
911SC

On 11 December 2010 15:16, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

"Witness all the turbos being added to the latest BMWs, and the Mercedes 550 will become a 500 with turbos, and I think the naturally aspirated 6.3 will become a 5.5 with twin turbos."

Just because BMW and MB do it, does NOT make it right or the best technology. They run a business...they couldn't care if something was the best way to do things or not. A lot of what they do could be considered cutting edge but not all. Turbos are a lazy solution to not designing an engine properly. It just adds weight, heat and complexity.

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From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>

To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 12:30:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1

It's nothing cutting edge, it's all pretty old stuff.  Not a bad way to stuff a lot of air into a small space though, and it worked like a charm when bolted to piston plane engines flying in thin air way back when.

The only reasoning I can see behind wanting to use it in F1, is for as I understand it, some emission advantages to using turbos, so it might be political in that it makes F1 look more green.  Witness all the turbos being added to the latest BMWs, and the Mercedes 550 will become a 500 with turbos, and I think the naturally aspirated 6.3 will become a 5.5 with twin turbos.  All will make the same or better power, using less gas and fewer emissions.  Does it really made a difference with race cars.  I think it's just trying to be PC.  I mean, even during times 15-20 years ago, when fuel during a race was limited to 200 litres or something, everyone was pretty much running their own "zip fuels", costing about $100 per litre!  Work it out, when the cars burned 4 litres a lap! lol.  But everyone bought the 200 litre limit as F1 doing their part to reduce fuel use.  Yeah, ok.

Personally, I like to bore bigger holes in engines to make them more powerful.  Who was it how said, "Big bores came about as the result of us trying to be more environmentally friendly.  We bored them out, and removed all the unnecessary material from inside the engines, thereby saving weight."  Or words to that effect.  hee hee

Ed
911SC

On 10 December 2010 23:31, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

That's the fallacy...forced induction is NOT cutting edge technology.

That's 70s thinking at best...it's old school because back then the only way to make a small (external) dimension engine make power was to add a turbo or supercharger.

Nowadays, we have large displacement engines that are smaller physically than the small displacement engines of the past making more power and with better fuel economy.

This is BS...if the manufacturers are going to develop new engines, why not make it a 21st century challenge and make the power and economy without the old crutch of turbos.

There are ways to do it.

LS

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From: Thomas Reynolds <kjtar [at] att.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 8:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1

I think it's a good move, Mike.  Like it or not, the days of mega petro engines are coming to an end, and the F1 folks apparently feel that they should be the racing formula that is on the cutting edge of new engine technology.  I would think the engines would be lighter weight, giving the designers more room to play around with weight/balance/aero packages.  All the best,

Tom

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] F1
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] att.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:31 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/10/officially-official-formula-one-goes-with-1-6-litre-four-cylind/

All I have to say is...

What

The

F*ck?

Jesus why don't they just grab some power trains from the Toyota Prius
assembly line and get the whole thing over with?


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