Ferrari Mailing List: Re: the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

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From: Larry (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:09:09 -0800 (PST)

Hmmm... I'm more than willing and capable of doing all the work needed - might be a opportunity for finding a bargain? Then again, there's the old saying about buying a cheap Ferrari... ;-)

Also, I suspect the price of parts would empty my F Car Account pretty quickly (it- the bank acct - being quite small). I'd have to get it real cheap. Which is unlikely IMO as thereâs always some glassy eyed nut with more $$âs than brains who could outbid me....

LarryT

-----Original Message-----

From: David

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:23 PM

To: Larry Turner

Cc: 'The FerrariList'

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

I never said stay away from 456s.... These are the cars that I make money on

Seriously though, they are a money pit unless you buy one that's had all the

updates, and you do all the work yourself when things need doing. Even then,

you need a good dose of luck so things don't mysteriously die.

I think the 348 and Mondial t are in the same league as Clyde says. I have a

t and if I didn't do the work on it myself, I would be more broke than I am.

Dave

-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com]

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:58 AM

To: David

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

When two of the independent parts dealers say to run away from the

456, you have to wonder why? There were a lot of electronic systems

on that car that we're not exactly ready for prime time. They had the

bugs worked out by the time the 550 showed up.

On 11/12/11, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello Clyde -

> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> You mentioned your interest in the 575 - and I like the 550/575 and

> understand why you'd opt for the newer model. But not mentioned was the

> 456. Not manly? I like the styling of the 456 as much as the 550/575 and

> wondered why you'd consider a 575 and not even mention the 456? Is it

that

> bad or does it just not "light your fire"?

> They're both V12s - similar V12's IIRC.

> Care to share your comments?

> Thx

> LarryT

> From: clyde romero

> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:28 PM

> To: Larry Turner

> Cc: 'clyde romero' ; The FerrariList

> Subject: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

> Well I've been asked to write my views on the 12 cylinder cars

> So here it comes, and know I didn't get all of them but you will get the

> gist.

> As some of you know I own a 512 TR with around 93k on it, I drive it not

wax

> it!

> Most likely the highest mileage one out there and with no major issues.

> So lets start from the top

> Early Boxers where the rage for a while with some idiot even in the baby

> shit rag called FML stating he had the "original plastic " on the doors

> asking what $200k for his 1960 throw back!

> Anyway these cars were nice but VERY LONG IN THE TOOTH and if they break

you

> need a CNC machine to get it back to running order.

> The same goes with all those ascot guys you see at the Ferrari meets with

> the bottle blond on his arm with the car on the grass at the golf course

> your choice with the Daytona's etc.

> I mean please a carb 12 cyclinder Ferrari is neat to look at but its heavy

> and has the brakes and steering of a Chevy Vega and at $200k plus give me

> break.

> And don't forget the fire extinguisher please!

> Forget about A/C, and all that shit you here about ( I love the sound of

the

> engine) is just that shit! Because who needs hear metal hitting metal ?

> Not me, if that's the case go visit a blacksmith you can hear that all

day

> long there.

> The modern 12 cylinders are they way to go, and why do you say. Because

they

> don't have to work that hard all the time to get going.

> They loaf and still perform hence last longer than there brethren the

> screaming 8 cylinder younger brother 458 etc

> And they look better doing it too

> The 412 massacre was just that, and some even had a automatic transmission

> for GM!

> Ferraris first try at cross dressing and it failed.

> The series 1 TR was the first real attempt by Ferrari to make a great

Grand

> Touring 12 cyl that had everything BUT BRAKES!

> It had the look and the power, but in usual fashion the follow up was

> better, the 512 TR.

> It had the brakes that the early TR should have had along with a better

> transaxle that would not fail.

> Oh yea did I mention that when Ferrari built the TR they put the old shit

> box BOXER tranny it, and the new TR had way more power so you had the

clowns

> who bought the TR new and thought they were in a 5 litter Mustang dragging

> off stop lights with the wide tires tearing out the rear cases! Bonus..

> They fixed tranny issue in the 512TR but not the early serial #'s sooo you

> don't know if you don't check the gear box and Yes Virgina it's a $15 K

fix

> minus the labor.

> In fact I doing one now for a friend on a 92 TR that should have had it

from

> the factory.

> But he bought this car from someone who had the 2nd gear down early in its

> life which told the story on how it was driven.

> And yes that a clue guys and girls, if you buy a Ferrari and its had

> transmission work, you bought an anchor, treat it as such.

> Bottom line stay away from the TR series 1 it has too many issues in the

> Tranny and for a little more you get the real deal in the 512 TR.

> The 512 M is not worth the money period, 12 more HP for wheels and funny

> head lights. That is it on 512 M

> The 456 has the same quality control issues as the 348 had. NONE!

> Leaking windows! Please that went away with Citroen ( for you who don't

know

> that that is, it is not a hair care product, PHIL tell them please!)

> Anyway 4 four seater modern day Ferrari, WTF were they thinking? I mean

most

> of the crowd who bought this 12 cylinder shit box with and Automatic

> transmission( there they go again trying to cross dress, haven't they

> learned!) did have 3 friends to go anywhere with them!

> Have seen this crowd anywhere? Tell me please where they hang out at

> STARBUCKS, Wendys, hell they dare not show their faces in public, it is

> they are sex offenders of the prancing horse crowd, I mean really!

> Any this car was a serious flop, if you have the climate where it doesn't

> rain like IRAN, buy one they are cheaper than a 348.

> I would pay for the video of the guy bringing one in on trade. It would be

> like bring in a Masseratti Quatrro Port or worse yet ANY ASTON MARTIN in

> a trade.

> Hell a Iraqi T-72 has more trade in value than any of those cars! At least

> it would start an run!

> ( PHIL I know you are laughing!!)

> Phil tell us all what you would say when some poor un suspecting soul

would

> bring their treasure slug in for trade?

> What were the words you would say to them on value? I gotta know! It's the

> holidays tell us, because there are those out there in LA LA Land who have

> these 4 wheel cars and they need to hear it from a GRANDFATHER rather than

> some guy in a cheap suit and a dime store tie!

> Enlighten us PHIL you know the words

> Ok ok I am off message, back to war.

> So then they made the 612 SCAGAAA a something another, well need I say

more!

> Nice car stealthy looking and fast with all the bells and whistles. But at

> $220+ large for it new they took a page from the NSX play book on how to

> sell a car!

> It didn't.

> Once again the guys who bought these things don't have that many friends

> go anywhere with because they drive so bad an scare them! So what the

point!

> At least in the 2 seat world you only scare one other person ( they are

not

> scaring themselves because they KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!, hey what the web site

> with the wrecked Ferrari's anyway?)

> They could take their EX wives with them in the 612 (get them all in one

> crash) but that's it!

> My take on this sled is $100 MAX with the custom luggage thrown in.

> Ok who's laughing? This is all true and you know it!!!!

> Back on message, let move on to the 550 and 575.

> They got it right with this car. The 550 is the better car if you want

euro

> style handling they soften it up for the US crowd with the 575.

> The story is the same here the 575 is overall the better car in the long

> run, it has all the new and improved features that the 550 did not get,

seen

> this before?(308 2 valve vs 308 4 valve/TR vs 512 TR you get the idea)

> And what is good about this car is that you don't have to take out the

> engine to do the belts, this will be my retirement ride in 3 years,( and

> I am not selling the 512TR none of you deserve this car, and yes I said

it,

> only steve Jenkins knows why he owns one and we know who we are so there!

> SMILE) this car is blinding fast and comfortable and stealthy, if you

took

> of the fender badges you would not know it was a Ferrari crushing you on

the

> ROAD!

> Lots of torque great A/C true Grand Touring car in the 21st century. Only

> drawback is the F-1 transmission.

> I don't care what they say these things are going to cost big bucks when

> they start getting long in the tooth!

> But they way you guys drive ( an average 3k miles a year) that will take

> long time to happen, right?

> Get a 6speed if you can find one or start a slush fund for your F-1

tranny

> rebuild/pump/computer take down, because it will happen!

> They came out with the 575 SuperAmerica and those guys are replacing the

> flip top like cheap sock made in INDIA!

> Some idiot opened the top in his garage and you can imagine that mess !

> I would pay $65K for 550 and no more than $90k for 575.

> As for the SA 575 those idiots still think they can get six figures for

the

> car, they are not even on the planet maybe another universe but there is

> always Zanax(sic).

> As for the specially cars F-50 and the like we have all seen the videos of

> the clowns in these cars, you got to love Ferrari marketing at times. Sell

> some outrageous car with crazy stupid horse power to anyone and watch them

> drive into the fountain in MONACO! Image is everything but really!

> Its like the goons who buy old F-1 cars and crash them a track at Pebble

> Beach Meet out west. Its sick fun watch the handicapped drive these

things!!

> Why don't they buy airplanes and remove themselves from the gene pool

> already!

> In a lot of ways you feel sorry for them. I know of the guy who owned a

F-50

> who tried to jump start it because the battery went dead( what he wasn't

> driving it daily to work! ) and blew out the $15k dash board (its and LCD

> dash, and he didn't read the owner's manual it said don't jump start the

> car, but hey I am a DOT comm guy I don't need no stinking manual)

> In my opinion Ferrari built these limited edition cars because they knew

> they could charge ridiculous amounts of money for them and they could use

> that big over ride in price to fund the F-1 program. I mean I will admit

> have the Ferrari fever as bad as anyone but even if I had Bill Gates

money,

> you don't buy a F-15 if you just have a commercial pilot's license!

> But do I know !

> If I missed a 12 cylinder car there was a reason, it wasn't relevant, no I

> am just kidding I am writing this enroute to MEX and don't have access to

> the internet.

> Gotta fly the plane an talk on the radios and all!

> Oh one more thing the main issue with the 512 TR is the starter, put the

new

> version on it and the starter relay package and you will have no issues.

> Get a can of R-12 off ebay as well so you don't have to convert the a/c

> system to R-134 which no matter what they tell you sucks unless the car

was

> designed for it. The conversions never work well.

> By the way does the 550/575 have R-134 I don't know but I think it does

and

> what year was the change over anyway?

> That it from the CLYDEster

> All the best guys.

> Lets try to meet somewhere in 2012 anywhere maybe Cape Cod?

> HMM

> Clyde Romero

> just the right amount of wrong!

> "SCARS ARE TATTOOS WITH BETTER STORIES"

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