Ferrari Mailing List: Re: the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

Re: the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Michael James (cavallino_rapanteyahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:24:52 -0800 (PST)

Also, I suspect the price of parts would empty my F Car Account pretty quickly (it- the bank acct - being quite small). That, as they say, is the elephant in the room - Parts prices have EXPLODED in recent years, and unless you're actively shopping for stuff, you're not likely to know how rare and expensive many of the 'common' parts have become, or how poor-quality many of them are now that the OEM parts suppliers have ended their production runs, and the Chinese have stepped-in with their one-size-fits-all junk that doesn't meet the OEM specs.

I'd have to get it real cheap. Which is unlikely IMO as thereâs always some glassy eyed nut with more $$âs than brains who could outbid me.... There are $16K 308s out there if you want one - it needs probably $30K in parts to make it the car you really want to own and drive, and the seller probably knows this (which is why he's even selling it to you for $16K in the first place). And there are also cars out there that are mid-range that are above-range in mechanicals, too. Those are much rarer, and as Clyde says - you treat it like a drug deal - you bring Cash Money, you keep an overnight bag packed, and your favorite airline on speed-dial. If that is too much drama for Mr. Buyer, he doesn't quite have the nutt or the gut, and he needs time to dicker and talk to the wifey and sell that 'classic' piece-of-shit British car first, there's the 'mint' 328 on ebay with all of 2500 miles on it for $75K or the Testarossa with all of 700 miles on it that 'might' go for $120,000. Any buyer WILL pay a price for lack of financial preparation or intestinal fortitude.

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From: David

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:23 PM

To: Larry Turner

Cc: 'The FerrariList'

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

I never said stay away from 456s.... These are the cars that I make money on

Seriously though, they are a money pit unless you buy one that's had all the

updates, and you do all the work yourself when things need doing. Even then,

you need a good dose of luck so things don't mysteriously die.

I think the 348 and Mondial t are in the same league as Clyde says. I have a

t and if I didn't do the work on it myself, I would be more broke than I am.

Dave

-----Original Message-----

From: Erik Nielsen [mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com]

Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:58 AM

To: David

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

When two of the independent parts dealers say to run away from the

456, you have to wonder why? There were a lot of electronic systems

on that car that we're not exactly ready for prime time. They had the

bugs worked out by the time the 550 showed up.

On 11/12/11, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello Clyde -

> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

> You mentioned your interest in the 575 - and I like the 550/575 and

> understand why you'd opt for the newer model. But not mentioned was the

> 456. Not manly? I like the styling of the 456 as much as the 550/575 and

> wondered why you'd consider a 575 and not even mention the 456? Is it

that

> bad or does it just not "light your fire"?

> They're both V12s - similar V12's IIRC.

> Care to share your comments?

> Thx

> LarryT

> From: clyde romero

> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:28 PM

> To: Larry Turner

> Cc: 'clyde romero' ; The FerrariList

> Subject: [Ferrari] the 12 cylinder cars MANLY CARS OF NOTE

> Well I've been asked to write my views on the 12 cylinder cars

> So here it comes, and know I didn't get all of them but you will get the

> gist.

> As some of you know I own a 512 TR with around 93k on it, I drive it not

wax

> it!

> Most likely the highest mileage one out there and with no major issues.

> So lets start from the top

> Early Boxers where the rage for a while with some idiot even in the baby

> shit rag called FML stating he had the "original plastic " on the doors

> asking what $200k for his 1960 throw back!

> Anyway these cars were nice but VERY LONG IN THE TOOTH and if they break

you

> need a CNC machine to get it back to running order.

> The same goes with all those ascot guys you see at the Ferrari meets with

> the bottle blond on his arm with the car on the grass at the golf course

> your choice with the Daytona's etc.

> I mean please a carb 12 cyclinder Ferrari is neat to look at but its heavy

> and has the brakes and steering of a Chevy Vega and at $200k plus give me

> break.

> And don't forget the fire extinguisher please!

> Forget about A/C, and all that shit you here about ( I love the sound of

the

> engine) is just that shit! Because who needs hear metal hitting metal ?

> Not me, if that's the case go visit a blacksmith you can hear that all

day

> long there.

> The modern 12 cylinders are they way to go, and why do you say. Because

they

> don't have to work that hard all the time to get going.

> They loaf and still perform hence last longer than there brethren the

> screaming 8 cylinder younger brother 458 etc

> And they look better doing it too

> The 412 massacre was just that, and some even had a automatic transmission

> for GM!

> Ferraris first try at cross dressing and it failed.

> The series 1 TR was the first real attempt by Ferrari to make a great

Grand

> Touring 12 cyl that had everything BUT BRAKES!

> It had the look and the power, but in usual fashion the follow up was

> better, the 512 TR.

> It had the brakes that the early TR should have had along with a better

> transaxle that would not fail.

> Oh yea did I mention that when Ferrari built the TR they put the old shit

> box BOXER tranny it, and the new TR had way more power so you had the

clowns

> who bought the TR new and thought they were in a 5 litter Mustang dragging

> off stop lights with the wide tires tearing out the rear cases! Bonus..

> They fixed tranny issue in the 512TR but not the early serial #'s sooo you

> don't know if you don't check the gear box and Yes Virgina it's a $15 K

fix

> minus the labor.

> In fact I doing one now for a friend on a 92 TR that should have had it

from

> the factory.

> But he bought this car from someone who had the 2nd gear down early in its

> life which told the story on how it was driven.

> And yes that a clue guys and girls, if you buy a Ferrari and its had

> transmission work, you bought an anchor, treat it as such.

> Bottom line stay away from the TR series 1 it has too many issues in the

> Tranny and for a little more you get the real deal in the 512 TR.

> The 512 M is not worth the money period, 12 more HP for wheels and funny

> head lights. That is it on 512 M

> The 456 has the same quality control issues as the 348 had. NONE!

> Leaking windows! Please that went away with Citroen ( for you who don't

know

> that that is, it is not a hair care product, PHIL tell them please!)

> Anyway 4 four seater modern day Ferrari, WTF were they thinking? I mean

most

> of the crowd who bought this 12 cylinder shit box with and Automatic

> transmission( there they go again trying to cross dress, haven't they

> learned!) did have 3 friends to go anywhere with them!

> Have seen this crowd anywhere? Tell me please where they hang out at

> STARBUCKS, Wendys, hell they dare not show their faces in public, it is

> they are sex offenders of the prancing horse crowd, I mean really!

> Any this car was a serious flop, if you have the climate where it doesn't

> rain like IRAN, buy one they are cheaper than a 348.

> I would pay for the video of the guy bringing one in on trade. It would be

> like bring in a Masseratti Quatrro Port or worse yet ANY ASTON MARTIN in

> a trade.

> Hell a Iraqi T-72 has more trade in value than any of those cars! At least

> it would start an run!

> ( PHIL I know you are laughing!!)

> Phil tell us all what you would say when some poor un suspecting soul

would

> bring their treasure slug in for trade?

> What were the words you would say to them on value? I gotta know! It's the

> holidays tell us, because there are those out there in LA LA Land who have

> these 4 wheel cars and they need to hear it from a GRANDFATHER rather than

> some guy in a cheap suit and a dime store tie!

> Enlighten us PHIL you know the words

> Ok ok I am off message, back to war.

> So then they made the 612 SCAGAAA a something another, well need I say

more!

> Nice car stealthy looking and fast with all the bells and whistles. But at

> $220+ large for it new they took a page from the NSX play book on how to

> sell a car!

> It didn't.

> Once again the guys who bought these things don't have that many friends

> go anywhere with because they drive so bad an scare them! So what the

point!

> At least in the 2 seat world you only scare one other person ( they are

not

> scaring themselves because they KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!, hey what the web site

> with the wrecked Ferrari's anyway?)

> They could take their EX wives with them in the 612 (get them all in one

> crash) but that's it!

> My take on this sled is $100 MAX with the custom luggage thrown in.

> Ok who's laughing? This is all true and you know it!!!!

> Back on message, let move on to the 550 and 575.

> They got it right with this car. The 550 is the better car if you want

euro

> style handling they soften it up for the US crowd with the 575.

> The story is the same here the 575 is overall the better car in the long

> run, it has all the new and improved features that the 550 did not get,

seen

> this before?(308 2 valve vs 308 4 valve/TR vs 512 TR you get the idea)

> And what is good about this car is that you don't have to take out the

> engine to do the belts, this will be my retirement ride in 3 years,( and

> I am not selling the 512TR none of you deserve this car, and yes I said

it,

> only steve Jenkins knows why he owns one and we know who we are so there!

> SMILE) this car is blinding fast and comfortable and stealthy, if you

took

> of the fender badges you would not know it was a Ferrari crushing you on

the

> ROAD!

> Lots of torque great A/C true Grand Touring car in the 21st century. Only

> drawback is the F-1 transmission.

> I don't care what they say these things are going to cost big bucks when

> they start getting long in the tooth!

> But they way you guys drive ( an average 3k miles a year) that will take

> long time to happen, right?

> Get a 6speed if you can find one or start a slush fund for your F-1

tranny

> rebuild/pump/computer take down, because it will happen!

> They came out with the 575 SuperAmerica and those guys are replacing the

> flip top like cheap sock made in INDIA!

> Some idiot opened the top in his garage and you can imagine that mess !

> I would pay $65K for 550 and no more than $90k for 575.

> As for the SA 575 those idiots still think they can get six figures for

the

> car, they are not even on the planet maybe another universe but there is

> always Zanax(sic).

> As for the specially cars F-50 and the like we have all seen the videos of

> the clowns in these cars, you got to love Ferrari marketing at times. Sell

> some outrageous car with crazy stupid horse power to anyone and watch them

> drive into the fountain in MONACO! Image is everything but really!

> Its like the goons who buy old F-1 cars and crash them a track at Pebble

> Beach Meet out west. Its sick fun watch the handicapped drive these

things!!

> Why don't they buy airplanes and remove themselves from the gene pool

> already!

> In a lot of ways you feel sorry for them. I know of the guy who owned a

F-50

> who tried to jump start it because the battery went dead( what he wasn't

> driving it daily to work! ) and blew out the $15k dash board (its and LCD

> dash, and he didn't read the owner's manual it said don't jump start the

> car, but hey I am a DOT comm guy I don't need no stinking manual)

> In my opinion Ferrari built these limited edition cars because they knew

> they could charge ridiculous amounts of money for them and they could use

> that big over ride in price to fund the F-1 program. I mean I will admit

> have the Ferrari fever as bad as anyone but even if I had Bill Gates

money,

> you don't buy a F-15 if you just have a commercial pilot's license!

> But do I know !

> If I missed a 12 cylinder car there was a reason, it wasn't relevant, no I

> am just kidding I am writing this enroute to MEX and don't have access to

> the internet.

> Gotta fly the plane an talk on the radios and all!

> Oh one more thing the main issue with the 512 TR is the starter, put the

new

> version on it and the starter relay package and you will have no issues.

> Get a can of R-12 off ebay as well so you don't have to convert the a/c

> system to R-134 which no matter what they tell you sucks unless the car

was

> designed for it. The conversions never work well.

> By the way does the 550/575 have R-134 I don't know but I think it does

and

> what year was the change over anyway?

> That it from the CLYDEster

> All the best guys.

> Lets try to meet somewhere in 2012 anywhere maybe Cape Cod?

> HMM

> Clyde Romero

> just the right amount of wrong!

> "SCARS ARE TATTOOS WITH BETTER STORIES"

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