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From: Doug and Terri Anderson (dnt dock.net)
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| Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:55:37 -0800 (PST) | |
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Good to hear Peter – so what
protection do you use? I remember what my pa said – son, never
stick you disk in something without protection. I use Ccleaner, Microsoft Essentials,
& Superantispyware (free) DOUG From: Peter Pless
[mailto:ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au] I have to say,
I’ve never used a mac…but I use PCs and windows PCs for everything,
including one dedicated as a PVR, and certainly with Win7 they’ve been
completely faultless. Never any issues. Never any breakdowns. Never any
crashes. Am I just lucky? It sure sounds like it from what you guys say! If I
was going to change to a Mac, it would only be to experience for myself the
‘smoothness and speed’ that’s been referred to, but certainly
not due to any unhappiness with my PCs. The only duds I’ve had were win96
and winVista. XP and 7 have been very very good IMO. I’m open
minded, though, and one day I WILL get a Mac. I am a bit turned off them
by the superiority of my android phone and tablet compared to my iphone
and ipad, but that’s probably not a fair comparison. From: E M [mailto: I used Macs
for years Larry, with next to no problems at all. Starting with a SE on
up. My current computer is a PC. I recently had some problems with
viruses and such things. Never a single problem with such things using
macs for 20+ years. While I can't complain too loudly about the PC, as it
kinda does what it should, most days; it is a bit like driving a car that you
don't have a lot of confidence in. You're always wondering if it will let
you down, and if/when it does, it will probably be at the worst time. On 21 January 2012 19:14, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote: Adam,
Fantastic write up – how long have you been working for Mac? (just
kidding) As
an aside, You mentioned MS Office – I’ve been transitioning to Open
Source software and have been happy with their “Office Suite”. It
sounds like I need to convert to MAC and not worry – my peripherals are
all USB – so there should be no problem. MS let me down
because I discovered the new desktop I bought (recently returned because it
died) which came with Win7 64Bit – which I found does not support my
scanner at all and has to be run using a less capable driver so I lose
functionality. I know MS doesn’t write drivers for peripherals but
IMO they should agree with major manufacturers if there will be drivers for
mainstream printers, scanners, etc for a headline OS upgrade!
I’m talking about a printer, scanner and maybe a set of pedals and
steering wheel (Ferrari labeled) which I am really looking forward to using but
need to buy a good racing game that has LeMans track and cars as a basis.
But that’s not important here -
Besides, I’ve always heard MAC is the way to go for graphics, etc.
Mostly I want to get some machines that run and run and run – MS seems to
constantly crash, BSOD, make me worry about Trojans, hackers, etc. – I
know no system is immune but hopefully MAC is less so.
Thanks again Adam – sounds like I’m not the only one considering
making a change - your write-up is a keeper - From: Adam Green Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:51 PM To: Larry Turner Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Apple Vs PC I've been researching
the same move for one particular (and expensive) machine that's sort of letting
the team down a bit lately. I think Windows vs Mac includes some Google
versus Apple decisions. If you're Google-centric (Chrome, Android) then
Mac isn't so compelling. If you're more interested in applications or
music and movies, then Mac wins hands down and Google is just as good on either
platform. In either case, Windows has no compelling value or advantage in
price or performance from a branded machine like Dell, which generally scores
poorly on reliability and support, as does IBM and Lenovo, as does Toshiba and
HP/Compaq ... : | The only question
would be any application that's on Windows and not on Mac. There's not
many these days, but there are some important ones, so you have to check your
footprint of applications and licenses. Microsoft Office and Intuit
Quickbooks are two that keep at least one Windows machine in the house for
me. If you want a killer
laptop, MacBook Pro is by far and away the best of the best and delivers top
shelf performance. Technology unveiled at CES two weeks ago will arrive
throughout 2012, but it could be very late in the year before the laptop market
reflects these new machines and really, if you want a super thin and light, the
MacBook Air is the best of the best and has the processor power that previous
versions lacked. If you want an actual desktop (desk-side tower) it's a
matter of choosing operating systems because the machine price/performance
ratios aren't compelling. Apple will be more expensive, but you get a
turn-key machine with no compromise on performance plus a local store for
support and applecare as a service contract (well worth the money.) I run mostly Mac OS X
10.6 (Snow Leopard) but have one MacBook Pro (this thing under my fingers)
running Lion. Once you're accustomed to the convenience and simplicity of
the Mac, the PC becomes subjectively all the more painfully cumbersome, even
when running the same applications. Since the "Sandy
Bridge" Intel architecture came into the Macs, their raw performance is as
good as it gets, so any price/performance advantage to a PC is whittled down to
a negligible degree except for technical applications. If you want to
compare performance, look at geekbench and run it on your current machines to
see just how surprisingly slow they are and how fast a new Mac performs. Keep in mind you can
always run Windows "on" a Mac (either by installing both Mac OS X and
Windows on the same Mac, or by installing an application called Parallels which
creates a virtual environment in which Windows runs happily and is perfectly
stable and fast, at least in my experience.) As for compatibility,
if the peripherals are recent models or just about anything using USB, they'll
work and backward compatibility isn't painful. You can always check their
respective support site and look for the necessary Mac OS X drivers.
Usually, it's just a matter of plugging it in and bingo. The Apple Store
"Genius" staff can schedule an appointment to make the transition for
you. I think it's free. They'll take your old laptop, do a backup,
fire up the new Mac and transfer as much or as little as you wish, right down
to browser passwords and history, etc. I even seen people with a delivery
cart bringing in their old desk-side PC tower and monitor ... I think Apple has
decided it's a strategic win to suffer the cost of literally helping each user
one by one to "make the switch" as they say. If you're reasonably
competent and sure you can backup and restore your current machine, it doesn't
require a trip to a store. I'm currently debating
updating an old Windows PC to a 12 core Mac Pro. The Mac is over $5K, but
the two year old PC cost that much and it benchmarks about the same as my new
MacBook Pro for half the price. Sheesh. The Mac
Pro is twice as fast for the same money after two years. Computers
are cheap. My rationalization to update is that the Mac Pro can mean an
all Mac environment and run Windows on Parallels for those tasks and still
deliver high performance (Parallels costs less than 10% according my geekbench
comparisons ... a 10,500 score on OS X becomes a 10,000 score when running
Windows 7 or Ubuntu 10 on Parallels 7.) If you have older
Windows applications, you'll most likely have to pay to update licenses to new
versions and "migrate" to the Mac OS X platform. This is
tedious or as streamlined, case by case, depending upon the software vendor and
their state of health. For example, I still run a PC with Quickbooks and
Quicken for lack of convenient migration path. I think Intuit is healthy
and moving to win back their Mac users, but we'll see. For now, I see no
luxury in having the accounting on a Mac, so nothing is broken. All of
these machines can "see" and share files and printers and backups, so
there's no leap forward. I should add that the
new "App Store" approach to the Mac is turning out to be a really
nice way to sift through the otherwise insurmountable hundreds of thousands of
seemingly identical applications on offer. There's also the joy of not
having everything preceded by a virus scan or an update to repair or replace
software broken or out of date on the Windows 7 box. I have a pretty
stable environment on the Windows machines, but the intrusion of virus threats
can be a little tedious. So far, so good and it's all free software, it's
just a bit clunky compared to the way OS X is so quiet and unobtrusive about
its updates. And the final
"win" I'll score to Apple is the integration of the iPhone, iPad,
iTunes, Apple TV and Mac. It's finally at a point where almost anything
you have is available to each device with little or no effort. I should
mention I recently moved to a Google phone (the grandly titled Galaxy
Nexus) and the integration with the Mac is just as good. I think Google
is going to finally challenge Apple now that Chrome really works and Android
(the equivalent of iOS on the iPhone) is, in my humble, easier to use than iOS
... ironically, the "best" new features on the iPhone 4 are old news
to Android users (except Siri, which is great ... Google voice command isn't as
clever, but it does work for calls and navigation, even reads email,
etc.) The thing Apple
products don't understand is having multiple users for the same device like an
iPhone or iPad or Apple TV ... these all assume one user (even though they have
the appearance of multiple users, it doesn't work out very well.) Google
TV and Google Chrome (their operating system equivalent of Mac OS or Windows,
as well as a browser) assume each user has a login and completely separate
interests, then Google+ handles sharing and communication -- infinitely less
painful than Facebook, which my kids have finally, thankfully, deleted from
their lives, if only because their friends have gone counter-culture and
decided that FB is not cool. To answer your
question: "should be fine." : ) Adam On Sat, Jan 21, 2012
at 11:11 AM, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
wrote: I am considering
taking the plunge and changing to Apple products - but
I have a couple of laptops running Win7 that are still very usable. If I
change the desktop to Apple type, will I have any compatibility problems?
Peripheral problems? Thx _________________________________________________________________
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You brought
up the problem of reliability and customer service – like you I have been
less than impressed with service for a umber of Laptops and desktops although I
tend to build my own. Whenever I buy a desktop out of the box I am
disappointed by the performance and service they always need. I
need to backup and say I was very impressed with the gateway Laptop I had a few
years ago – but they’re out of business (I think) so I guess they
spent over their head?- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC, (continued)
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Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Larry, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC E M, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Peter Pless, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Robert W. Garven Jr., January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Doug and Terri Anderson, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Peter Pless, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC clyderomerof4, January 22 2012
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Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Larry, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Larry, January 22 2012
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