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From: Larry (l02turner comcast.net)
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| Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 04:42:24 -0800 (PST) | |
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Hi Peter,
IMO you have been lucky. I had great success with
XP â it was very stable and did everything I needed. Then came Vista and
it was a step backward for MS OS. I think it was released before it was
fully tested. Win7 fixed some of the problems with Vista but my machines
have not run as good with W7 as they did with XP. Iâve had new
and upgraded Laptops and Desktops running Win7 and they all have had problems
except for the Acer Laptop I am using at the moment. My desktops
seemed to suffer more than laptops although I donât know why that would be â
Bought 2 Acer desktops from Tiger â one went back for an exchange within 2 weeks
the other lasted 3 months. Itâs gone to the warranty co and I will
be getting a refund for the purchase price of the computer. I bought
the Acer after upgrading an older desktop to Win7 with stability problems and
thought it was perhaps incompatibility issues with some components â so I bought
a new computer with W7 64 and immediately had problems similar to the ones I had
with the upgraded desktops.... No, I havenât been impressed with Win
7.
 Glad to hear someone is having success with W7 --
LarryT
From: Peter Pless
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:58 PM
To: Larry Turner
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC Apple Vs PC I
have to say, Iâve never used a macâbut I use PCs and windows PCs for everything,
including one dedicated as a PVR, and certainly with Win7 theyâve been
completely faultless. Never any issues. Never any breakdowns. Never any crashes.
Am I just lucky? It sure sounds like it from what you guys say! If I was going
to change to a Mac, it would only be to experience for myself the âsmoothness
and speedâ thatâs been referred to, but certainly not due to any unhappiness
with my PCs. The only duds Iâve had were win96 and winVista. XP and 7 have been
very very good IMO. Iâm
open minded, though, and one day I WILL get a Mac. I am a bit turned off
them by the superiority of my android phone and tablet compared to my
iphone and ipad, but thatâs probably not a fair
comparison. From: E M
[mailto:pokiebaron [at] gmail.com] I used Macs for years Larry, with
next to no problems at all. Starting with a SE on up. My current
computer is a PC. I recently had some problems with viruses and such
things. Never a single problem with such things using macs for 20+
years. While I can't complain too loudly about the PC, as it kinda does
what it should, most days; it is a bit like driving a car that you don't have a
lot of confidence in. You're always wondering if it will let you down, and
if/when it does, it will probably be at the worst time. On 21 January 2012 19:14, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
wrote: Adam,
Fantastic write up â how long have you been working for Mac? (just kidding) As
an aside, You mentioned MS Office â Iâve been transitioning to Open Source
software and have been happy with their âOffice
Suiteâ. It
sounds like I need to convert to MAC and not worry â my peripherals are all USB
â so there should be no problem. MS let me down because I discovered
the new desktop I bought (recently returned because it died) which came with
Win7 64Bit â which I found does not support my scanner at all and has to be run
using a less capable driver so I lose functionality. I know MS doesnât
write drivers for peripherals but IMO they should agree with major manufacturers
if there will be drivers for mainstream printers, scanners, etc for a headline
OS upgrade! Iâm talking about a printer, scanner and maybe a
set of pedals and steering wheel (Ferrari labeled) which I am really looking
forward to using but need to buy a good racing game that has LeMans track and
cars as a basis. But thatâs not important here -
Besides, Iâve always heard MAC is the way to go for graphics, etc.
Mostly I want to get some machines that run and run and run â MS seems to
constantly crash, BSOD, make me worry about Trojans, hackers, etc. â I know no
system is immune but hopefully MAC is less so.
Thanks again Adam â sounds like Iâm not the only one considering making a change
- your write-up is a keeper - LarryT
From: Adam
Green Sent:
Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:51 PM To: Larry Turner Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] NFC Apple Vs PC I've been researching
the same move for one particular (and expensive) machine that's sort of letting
the team down a bit lately. I think Windows vs Mac includes some Google
versus Apple decisions. If you're Google-centric (Chrome, Android) then
Mac isn't so compelling. If you're more interested in applications or
music and movies, then Mac wins hands down and Google is just as good on either
platform. In either case, Windows has no compelling value or advantage in
price or performance from a branded machine like Dell, which generally scores
poorly on reliability and support, as does IBM and Lenovo, as does Toshiba and
HP/Compaq ... : | The only question
would be any application that's on Windows and not on Mac. There's not
many these days, but there are some important ones, so you have to check your
footprint of applications and licenses. Microsoft Office and Intuit
Quickbooks are two that keep at least one Windows machine in the house for
me. If you want a killer
laptop, MacBook Pro is by far and away the best of the best and delivers top
shelf performance. Technology unveiled at CES two weeks ago will arrive
throughout 2012, but it could be very late in the year before the laptop market
reflects these new machines and really, if you want a super thin and light, the
MacBook Air is the best of the best and has the processor power that previous
versions lacked. If you want an actual desktop (desk-side tower) it's a
matter of choosing operating systems because the machine price/performance
ratios aren't compelling. Apple will be more expensive, but you get a
turn-key machine with no compromise on performance plus a local store for
support and applecare as a service contract (well worth the money.)
I run mostly Mac OS X
10.6 (Snow Leopard) but have one MacBook Pro (this thing under my fingers)
running Lion. Once you're accustomed to the convenience and simplicity of
the Mac, the PC becomes subjectively all the more painfully cumbersome, even
when running the same applications. Since the "Sandy
Bridge" Intel architecture came into the Macs, their raw performance is as good
as it gets, so any price/performance advantage to a PC is whittled down to a
negligible degree except for technical applications. If you want to
compare performance, look at geekbench and run it on your current machines to
see just how surprisingly slow they are and how fast a new Mac
performs. Keep in mind you can
always run Windows "on" a Mac (either by installing both Mac OS X and Windows on
the same Mac, or by installing an application called Parallels which creates a
virtual environment in which Windows runs happily and is perfectly stable and
fast, at least in my experience.) As for compatibility,
if the peripherals are recent models or just about anything using USB, they'll
work and backward compatibility isn't painful. You can always check their
respective support site and look for the necessary Mac OS X drivers.
Usually, it's just a matter of plugging it in and
bingo. The Apple Store
"Genius" staff can schedule an appointment to make the transition for you.
I think it's free. They'll take your old laptop, do a backup, fire up the
new Mac and transfer as much or as little as you wish, right down to browser
passwords and history, etc. I even seen people with a delivery cart
bringing in their old desk-side PC tower and monitor ... I think Apple has
decided it's a strategic win to suffer the cost of literally helping each user
one by one to "make the switch" as they say. If you're reasonably
competent and sure you can backup and restore your current machine, it doesn't
require a trip to a store. I'm currently debating
updating an old Windows PC to a 12 core Mac Pro. The Mac is over $5K, but
the two year old PC cost that much and it benchmarks about the same as my new
MacBook Pro for half the price. Sheesh. The Mac Pro
is twice as fast for the same money after two years. Computers are
cheap. My rationalization to update is that the Mac Pro can mean an all
Mac environment and run Windows on Parallels for those tasks and still deliver
high performance (Parallels costs less than 10% according my geekbench
comparisons ... a 10,500 score on OS X becomes a 10,000 score when running
Windows 7 or Ubuntu 10 on Parallels 7.) If you have older
Windows applications, you'll most likely have to pay to update licenses to new
versions and "migrate" to the Mac OS X platform. This is tedious or as
streamlined, case by case, depending upon the software vendor and their state of
health. For example, I still run a PC with Quickbooks and Quicken for lack
of convenient migration path. I think Intuit is healthy and moving to win
back their Mac users, but we'll see. For now, I see no luxury in having
the accounting on a Mac, so nothing is broken. All of these machines can
"see" and share files and printers and backups, so there's no leap
forward. I should add that the
new "App Store" approach to the Mac is turning out to be a really nice way to
sift through the otherwise insurmountable hundreds of thousands of seemingly
identical applications on offer. There's also the joy of not having
everything preceded by a virus scan or an update to repair or replace software
broken or out of date on the Windows 7 box. I have a pretty stable
environment on the Windows machines, but the intrusion of virus threats can be a
little tedious. So far, so good and it's all free software, it's just a
bit clunky compared to the way OS X is so quiet and unobtrusive about its
updates. And the final "win"
I'll score to Apple is the integration of the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, Apple TV and
Mac. It's finally at a point where almost anything you have is available
to each device with little or no effort. I should mention I recently
moved to a Google phone (the grandly titled Galaxy Nexus) and the integration
with the Mac is just as good. I think Google is going to finally challenge
Apple now that Chrome really works and Android (the equivalent of iOS on the
iPhone) is, in my humble, easier to use than iOS ... ironically, the "best" new
features on the iPhone 4 are old news to Android users (except Siri, which is
great ... Google voice command isn't as clever, but it does work for calls and
navigation, even reads email, etc.) The thing Apple
products don't understand is having multiple users for the same device like an
iPhone or iPad or Apple TV ... these all assume one user (even though they have
the appearance of multiple users, it doesn't work out very well.) Google
TV and Google Chrome (their operating system equivalent of Mac OS or Windows, as
well as a browser) assume each user has a login and completely separate
interests, then Google+ handles sharing and communication -- infinitely less
painful than Facebook, which my kids have finally, thankfully, deleted from
their lives, if only because their friends have gone counter-culture and decided
that FB is not cool. To answer your
question: "should be fine." : ) Adam On Sat, Jan 21, 2012
at 11:11 AM, Larry <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote: I am considering
taking the plunge and changing to Apple products - but I
have a couple of laptops running Win7 that are still very usable. If I
change the desktop to Apple type, will I have any compatibility problems?
Peripheral problems? Thx LarryT _________________________________________________________________
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You
brought up the problem of reliability and customer service â like you I have
been less than impressed with service for a umber of Laptops and desktops
although I tend to build my own. Whenever I buy a desktop out of the box I
am disappointed by the performance and service they always need. I
need to backup and say I was very impressed with the gateway Laptop I had a few
years ago â but theyâre out of business (I think) so I guess they spent over
their head?- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC, (continued)
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Robert W. Garven Jr., January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Doug and Terri Anderson, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Peter Pless, January 21 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC clyderomerof4, January 22 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Larry, January 22 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Adam Green, January 23 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC E M, January 23 2012
- Re: NFC Apple Vs PC Robert W. Garven Jr., January 23 2012
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