Ferrari Mailing List: Re: let the debate begin

[Larry T (l02turner]

Peter and All,
I am very sorry about that error -- I failed to properly proof my email and that got through - but I stand by the remainder of the info.  Again - sorry about the knife attack error - it seems several of the kids were in critical condition but I haven't learned yet if they are all expected to recover.  I pray they will...

Here's an article by John Lott published / copyrighted by USA Today Dec 26, 2012.

LarryT


USA Today - Has anyone noticed that these mass shootings at public schools increased after the 1995 Gun-Free School Zone Act? Passed with good intentions, banning guns would supposedly make schools safer.

But law abiding citizens, not criminals, obey these bans. Instead of making places safer, disarming law abiding citizens left them sitting ducks.

Killers go where victims can't defend themselves. In the Aurora, Colo., movie theater shooting, out of seven theaters showing the Batman movie premiere within 20 minutes of the suspect's apartment, only one banned permitted concealed handguns. The suspect didn't go to the closest nor the largest, but to the one that banned self-defense. Time after time the story is the same.

With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings.

Sometimes, permit holders save lives. Joel Myrick, an assistant high school principal in Pearl, Miss., used to carry his permitted handgun at school, but stopped after the 1995 act passed. When his school was attacked in October 1997, he ran a mile to get his gun stored off school property, and still stopped the attack 11 minutes before police arrived. Before 1996, he could have stopped it sooner.

More than 8.5 million Americans can legally carry concealed handguns. They are next to us in restaurants, movie theaters and stores. Permit holders are law abiding, committing firearms violations at a rate of hundredths of 1%.

Before the 1995 act, states allowing concealed carry let permit holders carry guns in schools. In four states, they still can. No problems ever reported.

As a compromise, over the past 15 years more than 12,000 former military members have gone into public schools teaching through "Troops to Teachers." Let them carry.

Still in doubt? Ask yourself: Would you feel safer with a sign on your house saying "this house is a gun-free zone"? But if you wouldn't put these signs on your home, why put them elsewhere?

John R. Lott Jr. is a former chief economist for the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the author of More Guns, Less Crime.

(c) Copyright 2012 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc.

On 12/26/2012 9:45 PM, Peter Pless wrote:

Didn’t we already determine that no one died in China? Makes a mockery of the rest of the email if it’s full of misinformation.

 

 

 

From: Larry T [mailto:l02turner [at] comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012 12:40 PM
To: Peter Pless
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] let the debate begin

 

ditto.  Very goo points!

BTW, More people are killed with fists, feet, knives and blunt objects By Far than those who are killed with guns.   The same day as the Ct tragedy a nut in China (of all places) killed 22 kids in a school there - with a Knife!

Nuts who want to kill will find a way.  I glad that guy in Ct didn't get on the internet and find the recipe for building a fertilizer bomb - he could have leveled the school!   

re :So called "Assault Weapons" - I assume you're referring to AR15s, AK47s and the like?  other than the caliber there's little technical difference between them and the 12 ga. duck gun my grand dad passed down to me.  There's no reason to ban any of them.   The AR15 in all of its varieties are the most popular target rifle in the US.  It is also used widely as a defensive gun. 

BTW, there was no change in the crime rate that can be attributed to the AW Ban that was in place during the clinton years.  It's a "feel Good" law - people like to do something that makes them feel good when something bad happens - there are in excess of 22000 laws regulating guns in the US - does ANYONE thing another law will prevent a crazy person from stealing a gun and killing people with it?   We'll never know what was going through the mind of the nut in Ct who shot 6 year old kids and it's impossible for normal people (being a relative term) to comprehend what drove him to do something so terrible.  But it has been proven time and again (and again and again) that gun laws affect the actions of law abiding people - not the ones who are going to use a gun illegally in the 1st place.  So you accomplish nothing.

How do you get the criminals guns away from them?  You can't even ask them if they have one because they would incriminate themselves which is illegal for them to do - quite a system we have huh?

Going after guns will do nothing to stop these tragedies.  The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun - not necessarily a police officer - Mayor Bloomburg of NYC likes to say he only wants his NYC PD officers who are trained to use guns to have them in NY - yet he never mentions the recent comedy of errors when officers were called to stop another nut with a gun (who didn't shoot anyone IIRC) and when the cops arrived them fired nearly 100 rounds and injured more than a dozen bystanders!  The "Trained" police we hear about are not that highly trained.

On 12/22/2012 5:19 PM, Rick Moseley wrote:

I have no problems with any weapons.  I have a problem with idiots owning them.   Now how do we keep psychos from getting them.  And no, I don't think taking them away from everyone is an acceptable answer. 

 

Rick

 

On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "cjromero" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?

And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?

 

Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!

 

Clyde Romero

 

just the right amount of wrong!

 

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