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Re: 512TR vs Countach video
From: LS (lashdeepyahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:25:42 -0800 (PST)
Rick, please send some pics of the 400S.

I enjoyed the DD a lot. Great car with simple mechanicals, excellent handling/chassis setup and decent brakes. Steering was fine but required effort at low speeds. The doors/ingress/egress were all pretty easy once you got used to it.

Mine was used only on backroads and open highway...perfection in those conditions.

A couple of vids shortly after buying it...hadn't fully sorted out ignition issues at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl1pavge3eE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZiFH61FCKE

I used to miss it a lot but the GT5-S is its evil twin. So simliar...firm ride, chassis, power, overall dimensions but with better brakes.

It also feels terrible below 60-70...harsh, ponderous, confused, twitchy, etc.

Above 80, 100, 130, it's an open road masterpiece much like a well sorted Countach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-wU8PbT8U&list=UUUjPaJYy6Eplaw_yCAZFwHA&index=24

LS





 



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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video

My brother and I owned a white  "400 S" early in the 80s.  It was a HOOT at first.  Driving around the pot-holed roads in Vegas was harsh.... and that's the best word to use with any Lambo,..  Harsh!  It road like a truck (or would that be tractor?).  But yet, still a lot of fun.   When girls knew we had it they always wanted to take the Lambo...  the first 2, maybe 3 times... then it was "can we take the Suburban tonight".   The Fanny, Foot, Foot entry pattern over the wide sills with the swing up doors also presented a "beaver shot" problem with the ladies... so they didn't like it much after 1 or 2 trips. When I'd take it for trips to LA, the GF having to take everything needed for the weekend in a bag they had to carry on their lap...  only made them hate it more.  Just before 40K miles, it started showing the early signs of needing a valve job.   We sold it to a young Arab kid who drove it 5 minutes and came back and gave us full price in cash and drove away.   We later saw him in one of the casinos and he said he ended up having to spend $35K doing a valve job but he still loved the car and thanked us for selling it to him.  He didn't drive it to the show that night because his girlfriend hated it...

Shame Lash sold it.... I'd say no.  I think the only thing I enjoyed selling more than the Lambo was our boat!  But I met some good people in the Lambo crowd and a few are still close friends today.

Rick

From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sat, February 23, 2013 7:22:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video

Was the one you owned briefly FI or Carbed?
 
A crying shame you sold it....
 
M J


--- On Fri, 2/22/13, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, February 22, 2013, 9:20 PM

Poster of the S1 LP400S and a DD in the garage!

 
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wines-spirits   est 1934

625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004



202-737-2800



From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video

The age old debate :

DD QV power or 400/400S purity.

The low body series 1 400S is the most violent looking car out of S'antagata. It's ridiculous how much lower looking it is than a standard CT.

A toughie. :)

On Friday, February 22, 2013, LS wrote:
Injection on 5000 and later models only for non-Euro spec models.

Downdraft is six 2 barrel Webers on the Euro spec QV model only.

Non-Euro QV is fuel injection.

DD is much, much faster and can't be compared to any other Countach in terms of power.

A well setup early LP400 is a quick car, but the DD is a monster.

 
central
wines-spirits   est 1934

625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004



202-737-2800



From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video

Every carbed Countach starting with the 5000S had an injected sibling. From memory I think even the 400S might have had an injected version (hope not).

On Friday, February 22, 2013, Adam Green wrote:
So long as the intake manifold is a vertical flow design above the inlets, it's a downdraft principle.  
I thought all the Lambo's were tractor engines with carbs, no?


Adam


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
Is the 25th Anniversary Countach still considered a 'downdraft' car, when it has no carbs on the engine?
 
M J


--- On Fri, 2/22/13, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, February 22, 2013, 4:45 PM


Looks to be pretty accurate...512TR and downdraft Countach even in acceleration then the TR pulling away at higher speed due to aero.

A wingless Countach probably would've been even closer.

 
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wines-spirits   est 1934

625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004






From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 512TR vs Countach video

Yeah but they (wings) were great for the buffet spread at a concours....

But your point was brought up in the R&T issue that did this test with the BB and the Countach.   The wing killed the top end.  The BB ate it up on speed runs.

Rick

From: Martin Stark <mstark [at] copper.net>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Fri, February 22, 2013 11:16:08 AM
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