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Re: Friday night funnies
From: Rick Moseley (ramoselpacbell.net)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Curt's a great guy and has done a lot of good for the Mustang community so I hope that was taken "tongue-in-cheek"

They had a pair of cars historically sponsored by some Wire company that year...  Maybe they weren't T/A.  BP?  AS?    We don't usually do the east coast swing of the historics but wanted to do it once and it gave me a chance to spend some time with  both Tom Yang and Ross Meyers (and his guys Terry and Chris are a hoot!).  The Limerock "pitch and putt" racetrack is the most beautiful racetrack ever.  Learned about east coast frost heaves too!

Rick

From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 11:20:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

Were those on his cars or customer cars?

They did have an experimental combo one year on their own shop cars that wasn't so great.

They try to push the envelope on their own race cars...yet seem to win very often.

The one I have is a real gem.

I actually bought it from a friend who had two built together. It was built as the spare but never used as his primary race motor was so reliable.

LS

 



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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

$40K for a Curt motor??  You are adventurous....!!

Last time we ran the historic T/A Shelby at Limerock he blew every motor he had.   Curt spent so much time driving home, fetching and changing motors he didn't make it to a single party...  I don't even think he made it to the Glen that year...

Rick


From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 9:34:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

Indeed, it's very easy to do that...but it will cost you!

The Cobra Automotive 289 in the '66 will rev to 8000 all day long but it too was about $40k to build.

Timings belts are smoother and may have provided more accuracy in the 70s, but it's old tech now.

Just like having forced induction or multiple camshafts...over engineering and over complication to overcome poor materials and electronics prior to the 21st century.

LS


 



central
wines-spirits   est 1934

625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004



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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

C'mon Lash, you can get SBF/SBC to do 8K reliably... easy....  cheap, NO!  The Huffaker 310 in our T/A car will push 9K...  At $40K a pop.

its that old racer's adage...  Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick two!

I think Ferrari was just ahead of the time with timing belts.  The belt technology just hadn't quite developed at the time.  There are hundreds of millions of cars out there with timing belts today that will go 100K miles on the original belts.

Rick

From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 9:06:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

"I think it's possible to put a Ford/Chevy V8 together that can see 8000 but it probably won't be as reliable.  "

Larry, put down the red Kool Aid, there's something in it!!

They are built the same although Ferrari does use great parts to begin with (stout internals) and they are balanced well but nothing special whatsoever.

Ferrari couldn't design a timing chain for some reason and had to downgrade to a belt which has caused owners much grief over the last four decades!





 



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From: Larry T <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

Hi George,
I agree - I believe the timing belt and its rollers are also replaced -- at least that's what I was told....

Plus, IMO, when working on any exotic there's the level of technical education required - IOW, it's not a Ford 5.0L that has straight forward "repairability" with parts available with the touch of a few computer keys.      Plus, there's only so many technicians who have been educated to work on exotics - but the other side of the coin is there's only so many exotics to go around.   That level of rarity puts a premium on the hourly rate.  It comes down to Supply & Demand.   Then there's the type of stressed environment a Ferrari can live in - running up to 8000rpm on a frequent basis requires a engine properly put together so it will stay together.    I think it's possible to put a Ford/Chevy V8 together that can see 8000 but it probably won't be as reliable.  

I guess that's a rambling way of saying the Ferrari engine is a high performance engine with high performance needs...

Larry
On 5/6/2013 1:58 PM, George P. wrote:
> From: Larry T <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>
> Speaking of dealers and Book hours - my long ago boss had a 87 328 GTSi
> which was coming up for a 30K maintenance - he called Ferrari of
> Atlanta, DC and Charlotte IIRC and told me the prices ranged from $3200
> to $4800. Wow! I thought - not only is that a lot of money but it's a
> wide range especially for a service IMO. Of course I guess one might do
> more of the "while we're in there stuff" that they include without asking.
>
> LarryT
>
 
Larry,  Was a time when I was pretty tight w/ our local Ferrari dealer here.  I once asked about these "major" services.  They include just about everything - all fluids flushed/filled, filters, belts, shift linkages adjusted, nut/bolt check, etc etc etc....  Not trying to justify the price, because it is high, but it's also very comprehensive.  And as always, Clyde is right - like *any* business worth their salt (airlines included, Clyde!), they will charge what the market will bear, and not a penny less.

> From: "Charles Perry" charles [at] carolina-sound.com
>
> And if anyone doubts the words of wisdom from our resident legend, keep
> in mind that he's the only one of us who has so far found a 9-cylinder
> Corvette!
>
> :-)
>
> -- Charles
>
 
Charles - I can't even describe how stupid I feel that I missed this math error.  Duh!  But thanks for the reminder!  :-)
 
And Rick - of course you no longer have to get the math right - that's why we keep Charles around!  ;-)
 

> P.s. These are real Tattoos from the F1 Austin race. ouch not sure what the chinese dragon means, of course
> I would have had a SF shield over there for symmetry! :-P
>
 
Not sure if this was a repeat/resend, but I thought we'd discussed this...  The dragon is because in China, MS is referred to as the "Red Dragon".  I have a t-shirt a good friend sent me from Shanghai with that same dragon and MS' helmet design (not on the dragon....  though that might be funny....).
 
gp



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