Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Friday night funnies

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

There is a used QV motor on the west coast being offered for 4500 right now...  YMMV.

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On May 7, 2013, at 5:50 PM, "Dave Craig" <dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Clyde is very much on target here, nothing special with these cars.  A few unique tools required, thatâs about it.

 

But, here is a question for the masses.  My daughterâs car 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse 2.4L 4 cylinder just broke its timing belt.  It is an interference engine.  All 16 valves left marks on the pistons!  Yes, all 16!!  So, rebuilt head time, 16 new valves, mill the head Slight warp-age), all new top end gaskets, new timing belt, new cogged oil pump belt/counter balance shaft belt, new tensioner pulleys, new accessory belts, new water pump.  I am doing the labor, total parts cost, is right at $600.  I also owned a Ferrari for a while that had the exact same issue.  Total bill from Ferrari of Houston, I believe was around $12K, Rick feel free to jump in here.  Having worked on and changed the belts on a Mondial QV, I can assure you that these engines are VERY similar!  So, why the exorbitant price difference?  Supply and demand?

 

Dave

 

From: cjromero [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:10 AM
To: Dave Craig
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Friday night funnies

 

Nothing could be further from the truth

Ferrari engines are just blue printed and balanced better than your standard US car engine that is mass produced 

Keep in mind at best Ferrari knocks out 8 to 9 thousand units a year 

The corvette plant does that a month !

With regards to the level of education required to work on a Ferrari I encourage you to get a service manual for any of them and get back to me!

Any dedicated high school mechanic can work on any 308/328/348. From then on its plug and play with your SD 1  for diagnostics AKA Pep Boys !

The real early Ferrari's needed pros because the manuals were so poorly written so one had to know something

But not since the mass produced 308 hit the shores of the US has a Ferrari been so easy to work on

Dealerships still play the exotic game and the masses fall for it while they take your hard earned cash to there beach homes 

Just keep in mind Italy at best is a second world country 

And I dare anyone who has spent as much time in Europe as I have to say otherwise !

 

Gotta go fly

 

Oh yea one more thing 

With synthetic lubricants came increased engine life and substantially

Less failures of engine parts which not only plagued early Ferrari's but Jaguar,Lotus and BMW as well the same goes for coolants, hoses, air/oil filters and the like

 

 

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On May 7, 2013, at 6:36 AM, Larry T <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

Hi George,
I agree - I believe the timing belt and its rollers are also replaced -- at least that's what I was told....

Plus, IMO, when working on any exotic there's the level of technical education required - IOW, it's not a Ford 5.0L that has straight forward "repairability" with parts available with the touch of a few computer keys.      Plus, there's only so many technicians who have been educated to work on exotics - but the other side of the coin is there's only so many exotics to go around.   That level of rarity puts a premium on the hourly rate.  It comes down to Supply & Demand.   Then there's the type of stressed environment a Ferrari can live in - running up to 8000rpm on a frequent basis requires a engine properly put together so it will stay together.    I think it's possible to put a Ford/Chevy V8 together that can see 8000 but it probably won't be as reliable.  

I guess that's a rambling way of saying the Ferrari engine is a high performance engine with high performance needs...

Larry

On 5/6/2013 1:58 PM, George P. wrote:

> From: Larry T <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
>
> Speaking of dealers and Book hours - my long ago boss had a 87 328 GTSi
> which was coming up for a 30K maintenance - he called Ferrari of
> Atlanta, DC and Charlotte IIRC and told me the prices ranged from $3200
> to $4800. Wow! I thought - not only is that a lot of money but it's a
> wide range especially for a service IMO. Of course I guess one might do
> more of the "while we're in there stuff" that they include without asking.
>
> LarryT
>
 
Larry,  Was a time when I was pretty tight w/ our local Ferrari dealer here.  I once asked about these "major" services.  They include just about everything - all fluids flushed/filled, filters, belts, shift linkages adjusted, nut/bolt check, etc etc etc....  Not trying to justify the price, because it is high, but it's also very comprehensive.  And as always, Clyde is right - like *any* business worth their salt (airlines included, Clyde!), they will charge what the market will bear, and not a penny less.

> From: "Charles Perry" charles [at] carolina-sound.com
>
> And if anyone doubts the words of wisdom from our resident legend, keep
> in mind that he's the only one of us who has so far found a 9-cylinder
> Corvette!
>
> :-)
>
> -- Charles
>
 
Charles - I can't even describe how stupid I feel that I missed this math error.  Duh!  But thanks for the reminder!  :-)
 
And Rick - of course you no longer have to get the math right - that's why we keep Charles around!  ;-)
 

> P.s. These are real Tattoos from the F1 Austin race. ouch not sure what the chinese dragon means, of course
> I would have had a SF shield over there for symmetry! :-P
>
 
Not sure if this was a repeat/resend, but I thought we'd discussed this...  The dragon is because in China, MS is referred to as the "Red Dragon".  I have a t-shirt a good friend sent me from Shanghai with that same dragon and MS' helmet design (not on the dragon....  though that might be funny....).
 
gp

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