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Re: Ferrari Backed over
From: Erik Nielsen (judge4regmail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:21:56 -0700 (PDT)
Don't forget, the client pays the bills. 

The first regular production V12 2+2 goes back to 1960 (250 GTE, Enzo had one), and one has been in the line up ever since.  God forbid someone actually uses these cars and doesn't just park them in front of clubs to impress 20 year old kids that have less a purchasing power than the average person living in Botswana.  Comfort, practicality and usability do come into play. 

Ferrari invested heavily in aluminum chassis construction, but they usually aren't the first in everything, even being slow to adopt disc brakes. The new cars will be driven by smaller turbo engines and hopefully Alfa will sort out mass production carbon fiber chassis production, which is really the engineering point of the 4C.  Then it will get interesting again.

Pagani has sold about 100 cars. Total. He takes orders. Just that the actual no kidding demand is practically a rounding error in a market segment where 10k units per year would be phenomenal. 

Like old school?  Buy old school. That's what I did. 

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On Nov 1, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Have to agree with Michael on this one.

It's a sad world we live in where people with lots of money (and their automotive enthusiasm not in the right place) demands all sorts of cars Ferrari never would have built 20-30+ years ago.

The beginning of this trend in my opinion, started with the 550 Maranello. Now granted it is a nice car, a modern Daytona, etc....I'm not knocking it even though it's not my favorite Ferrari. The point is that I've seen repeated reports that they went front engined because it's more practical than mid-engined for the sort of things that these people want (i.e. golf clubs).

Reading Ferrari literature and press releases, all this talk of "the client" is freaking nauseating. And because of this "client" there will probably never again be a mid engined 12 cylinder flagship from Ferrari (obviously there will always be the super car Fs). He has needs way more important than chassis feel, curbing understeer and what not.

That shouldn't be the driving force behind *exotic* cars. And nothing wrong with front engined cars whatsoever (it's hard to beat a good Aston Martin these days for sheer handsomeness).....but Ferrari IMHO does not dominate visually in this regard since at least the '60s. The F12 I think is a step up from the 599 and a fantastic car but picking between those cars and a DB9/DBS/Vantage/Vanquish/etc is taking into account the Ferrari's greater performance and perhaps engine sound. Take those away, and I doubt you buy the Ferrari.

Sadly I guess the economic conditions force these companies to act this way, since if one does it, they all have to do it. I believe Lambo made 200-300 Diablos a year in the '90s.......lol, that won't cut it now.

One company that seems to be above this fray right now is Pagani, but only because they are very small. I read somewhere that the Huayra can be ordered in paddle shift, traditional manual, and sequential manual.....how f'n cool is that??!

If they ever become a big enough company to really mass produce exotics, I have no doubt whatsoever they'll make their share of crap cars to please others.

FG


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
But you don't understand......there are buyers (whom Ferrari is courting) who WANT these 4-seat, all-wheel-drive, Italian-Mercedes hatchbacks.  People WANT to haul their children, the dog, skiis, beach chairs, coolers, etc. in their $300K+ Ferrari during a Nor'Easter snowstorm in the Poconos.....because they want to.  So, naturally, Ferrari had to build "them" a car.....and here we are.
 
M J
 

From: Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com>
To: Michael <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

That is a shocking photo.  It must have been a heart attack for the "professional" (where&apos;s reverse on this thing?) driver.
I think everyone has the same reaction though:  lucky break for the owner to have an easy out of the FFugly, just write it off to insurance and you&apos;re free and clear to go get an Aston Rapide or just get a Range Rover if you want four-up motoring in a prestige land yacht weighing a couple of tons.

Adam


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:12 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
Wrong link again...I see a delivery truck backing over a grey station wagon with nice wheels and brakes.

Or am I missing something?

LS

 
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From: Les Thompson <les21 [at] ix.netcom.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:32 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

Full link:
http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/31/21264812-300k-ferrari-run-over-by-delivery-truck-backing-up
-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Savard
Sent: Oct 31, 2013 5:25 PM
To: Les Thompson
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

Can you tell us what the article is about. The link is broken or no longer exists.
Thank you!
Michael Savard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

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