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Re: Ferrari's New Design Direction -- **WAS**Ferrari Backed over
From: Erik Nielsen (judge4regmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:13:31 -0800 (PST)
I'm more interested in reliability rather than sound.  Read some horror stories out of the UK on the DB7s on parts availability (not that it is as big an issue since I don't fit in it)...


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Doug & Terri <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:

Uahaauauahhahhahh – you make me want to buy a plane ticket right now Charles - - - -

 

DOUG

 

From: Charles Perry [mailto:charles [at] carolina-sound.com]
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 6:09 AM


To: DOUG
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's New Design Direction -- **WAS**Ferrari Backed over

 

Larry –

 

I can only assume it’s been a while since you’ve heard a modern Aston. From the DB7 on they have been amazing. My Vanquish S is the only car I have that still has the stock exhaust system since it was perfect right out of the box, IMHO. The first time it starts each day, where it revs to about 2k to light up the cats, is automotive sex.

 

If you find yourself in SC let me know. Love to demonstrate!!  J

 

-- charles

 

 

 

From: Larry T [mailto:l02turner [at] comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's New Design Direction -- **WAS**Ferrari Backed over

 

As FG noted, the 60s was the great decade of car design and development.  We'll never see that kind of creativity again, IMO.  In 1968 the US Government began to include themselves in the design of the cars from the ground up by mandating certain safety requirements (which grows every year) and as Doug mentioned, the EPA which appears to be on the verge of taking even more responsibility by using regulations (and avoiding congress) to do all sorts of things.

I always thought there should have been a way for small car makers to be released from the requirements.  I know the air needed to be cleaned up -- LA looks so much better now - and safety always needs to be addressed but to car makers like Lotus and Ferrari and IMO neither of these car makers contributed to safety or emissions problems even by .0001" so eliminated their contribution completely would not have matter - and still woudn't.  Actually, now that things have been cleaned up so much it their contribution would be so small that it could not be calculated.

Back to FGs point - I guess it natural for companies wanting to expand and increase their sales figures - and since the pool of people who are hard core sports car fanatics (like most on this list) - is pretty limited and there are lots of speciality car makers vying for our business - the small car makers like Ferrari pretty much have to look for buyers in other places.   Throw in companies like Tesla and it confuses things even more -  personally, I could never own a electric car - without the exhaust note there would be no soul....  But the Tesla looks good (for a change) and will appeal to some - but I don't see sports cars enthusiasts going to Tesla in droves....

As far as the various Aston Martin models - no argument about their beauty and if they ever get someone at AM who decides to work on the exhaust note they'll have the whole package.... (IMO)

LarryT

On 11/2/2013 12:28 AM, Doug & Terri wrote:

Alas all too true FG.  The one word that’s a car killer is EPA.  And like a good Churman fellow I know says – und DOT’s not all.

 

*sigh*

 

DOUG

 

 

From: Fellippe Galletta [mailto:fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 4:25 PM
To: DOUG
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

 

Have to agree with Michael on this one.

It's a sad world we live in where people with lots of money (and their automotive enthusiasm not in the right place) demands all sorts of cars Ferrari never would have built 20-30+ years ago.

The beginning of this trend in my opinion, started with the 550 Maranello. Now granted it is a nice car, a modern Daytona, etc....I'm not knocking it even though it's not my favorite Ferrari. The point is that I've seen repeated reports that they went front engined because it's more practical than mid-engined for the sort of things that these people want (i.e. golf clubs).

Reading Ferrari literature and press releases, all this talk of "the client" is freaking nauseating. And because of this "client" there will probably never again be a mid engined 12 cylinder flagship from Ferrari (obviously there will always be the super car Fs). He has needs way more important than chassis feel, curbing understeer and what not.

 

That shouldn't be the driving force behind *exotic* cars. And nothing wrong with front engined cars whatsoever (it's hard to beat a good Aston Martin these days for sheer handsomeness).....but Ferrari IMHO does not dominate visually in this regard since at least the '60s. The F12 I think is a step up from the 599 and a fantastic car but picking between those cars and a DB9/DBS/Vantage/Vanquish/etc is taking into account the Ferrari's greater performance and perhaps engine sound. Take those away, and I doubt you buy the Ferrari.

Sadly I guess the economic conditions force these companies to act this way, since if one does it, they all have to do it. I believe Lambo made 200-300 Diablos a year in the '90s.......lol, that won't cut it now.

One company that seems to be above this fray right now is Pagani, but only because they are very small. I read somewhere that the Huayra can be ordered in paddle shift, traditional manual, and sequential manual.....how f'n cool is that??!

If they ever become a big enough company to really mass produce exotics, I have no doubt whatsoever they'll make their share of crap cars to please others.

FG

 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

But you don't understand......there are buyers (whom Ferrari is courting) who WANT these 4-seat, all-wheel-drive, Italian-Mercedes hatchbacks.  People WANT to haul their children, the dog, skiis, beach chairs, coolers, etc. in their $300K+ Ferrari during a Nor'Easter snowstorm in the Poconos.....because they want to.  So, naturally, Ferrari had to build "them" a car.....and here we are.

 

M J

 

 

From: Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com>
To: Michael <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 1:07 PM


Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

 

That is a shocking photo.  It must have been a heart attack for the "professional" (where&apos;s reverse on this thing?) driver.

I think everyone has the same reaction though:  lucky break for the owner to have an easy out of the FFugly, just write it off to insurance and you&apos;re free and clear to go get an Aston Rapide or just get a Range Rover if you want four-up motoring in a prestige land yacht weighing a couple of tons.


Adam

 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:12 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Wrong link again...I see a delivery truck backing over a grey station wagon with nice wheels and brakes.

Or am I missing something?

LS

 

 



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From: Les Thompson <les21 [at] ix.netcom.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:32 PM


Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

 

Full link:

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/31/21264812-300k-ferrari-run-over-by-delivery-truck-backing-up

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Savard
Sent: Oct 31, 2013 5:25 PM
To: Les Thompson
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

Can you tell us what the article is about. The link is broken or no longer exists.

Thank you!

Michael Savard

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:01 PM

Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari Backed over

 

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