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From: Robert W. Garven Jr. (rgarven gmail.com)
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| I even have a cool iphone simulator. I have prrsonally landed the space shuttle several time succesfully, along with crashing it many times..... Robert W. Garven Jr. "The Ferrari is a dream - people dream of owning this special vehicle and for most people it will remain a dream apart from for those lucky few." Enzo Ferrari On Mar 20, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Craig Williamson wrote: Clyde, The deletions could have been made for many reasons i.e.reclaim disc space ----- Original Message ----- From: <ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com> To: "Skip" <da-rolls [at] comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Ferrari Digest, Vol 92, Issue 49 Send Ferrari mailing list submissions to ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/listinfo/ferrari or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com You can reach the person managing the list at ferrari-owner [at] ferrarilist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ferrari digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Missing plane (Clyde Romero) 2. Re: Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) (Fellippe Galletta) 3. Re: Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) (Doug & Terri) 4. Re: Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) (LS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:27:28 -0400 From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> Subject: [Ferrari] Missing plane To: Ferrari List <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <2179704D-5828-4162-B5D8-58B74A74FF1E [at] bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Take note of the mention of military capabilities MH370 Timeline: Files deleted from flight simulator The investigation into the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines plane, has presented some twists and turns. Here's a timeline of the announcements. Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101503406 Sent from the CNBC app. Available for iPhone and iPad In victory you deserve Champagne In defeat you need it! Scars are Tattoos with better stories ! 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URL: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20140320/a6bb88fc/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 22:02:16 +0600 From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) To: Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <CANY4gv22pYu0ASotyOTusO6wYp9FNRij_WwKQVm+oxxQMcj61w [at] mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd hate to have been the lead Engineer overseeing the 991 GT3 platform. He may never experience the potential personal liability risk that your average PE undertakes, but holy crap.....he just lost $2.5 billion for Porsche over a minor detail! Gotta give Porsche credit here.....they manned up on this one. They coulda went Ford Pinto here and taken the road that they'll probably never have to settle for $2.5 billion in claims.....from a typical corporation dollars and cents point of view, its what you would expect. They'll make it up eventually, and all will be well. FG On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> wrote: I've pasted the whole letter text, below, for anyone a curious fascination in corporate-double-speak customer communiques. I find them to be laughably trivial and insincere; they make matters less tolerable. I extracted the salient passage as *Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. * There's a thing called a gudgeon pin, or wrist pin, connecting the piston to the rod, and there's the "big end" which is the end of the connecting rod (maybe also called a "piston" rod" I guess) wrapped around the crank. The titanium con rod is a fully formed, single piece, single forged items which is (or at least the technique used to be) cracked apart then machined, balanced and paired in "boxer" reciprocating assemblies, then the three pairs are balanced with the crank and pistons as a single rotating assembly. It's a robotic assembly process with only a few human steps. I've not seen or read about the newest 9000 rpm redline engines, but I imagine they continue the march towards a fully mechanized assembly. In any case, there is no "screw connection" but I guess that's meant to be "accessible" language for vehicle owners who think of the 'engine' as a part to be wholly replaced when it goes bang. Fair enough. : ) Well, after all, that's how the race teams do it, right? I'm somewhat astonished by a failure at this point of the engine internals and I wonder if it reflects some break-down in the transition from development units to production units. This doesn't seem to be a materials, quality or assembly process, but a design flaw requiring the entire unit be replaced holus bolus. Surely this is the most expensive way, but Porsche has, years ago, gone to a policy of replacing whole assemblies (a whole transmission is replaced, complete in the transaxle, rather than a field tech performing even moderately simple rebuilding tasks.) It's sad to see Porsches and Ferraris becoming vehicles that, well, will future generations of car enthusiasts be restricted to a laptop for their shadetree mechanic exploits? *"Oh wow, you guys, check out the 3D map I just flashed onto my ignition curves!"* Adam Dear Mr. Green: As advised previously, engineers at Porsche AG have been conducting technical analysis of the Porsche 911GT3 engine in order to find a solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving your car. This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about the cause of the problem and the planned remedial actions. As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine damage, causing the vehicles to catch fire. Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of this solution, Porsche AG is currently carrying out extensive tests. At Porsche we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution, therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be installing *new engines* with optimized piston rod screw connections in *all 2014* Porsche911 GT3 vehicles. Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your Porsche 911 GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually, as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing you with additional information within the next three weeks. We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs during this time. Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you are reunited with your Porsche 911 GT3. Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the Porsche brand. Kind regards, On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Martin Stark <mstark [at] copper.net> wrote: Just a guess, but perhaps it's a locking tab that was poorly set and flexed off. On 3/18/2014 7:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen wrote: That recall says the problem is a "loose fastener" on a connecting rod bouncing around inside the engine. I'd think if you lost a rod nut, the nut itself would be the least of your problems...... Hans. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote: WTH http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/porsche-fixes-fire-prone-911-gt3s-with-free-engine-replacements-220849413.html A few months ago I wrote: "I would say that your quandary of 930 based 911 GT3 (even without a clutch pedal) and the Corvette for long term reliability is probably the only valid one out there. I would not want to put any other manufacturers into that gamble..." I would like to officially retract that statement. Thanks, LS *central * *wines-spirits est 1934 * *625 e street nw * *washington, dc 20004* *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> * *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> * *202-737-2800 <202-737-2800>* _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flist%40hanshansen.org Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/mstark%40copper.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlineshttp://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flatcrank%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/fellippe.galletta%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20140320/1cc7698b/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:09:49 -0700 From: "Doug & Terri" <dnt [at] dock.net> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) To: "'Fellippe Galletta'" <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <000101cf445f$33d172a0$9b7457e0$ [at] dock.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is no truth to the rumor he had been fired in the morning and after lunch made a few engineering changes to the power plant. DOUG From: Fellippe Galletta [mailto:fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:02 AM To: DOUG Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) I'd hate to have been the lead Engineer overseeing the 991 GT3 platform. He may never experience the potential personal liability risk that your average PE undertakes, but holy crap.....he just lost $2.5 billion for Porsche over a minor detail! Gotta give Porsche credit here.....they manned up on this one. They coulda went Ford Pinto here and taken the road that they'll probably never have to settle for $2.5 billion in claims.....from a typical corporation dollars and cents point of view, its what you would expect. They'll make it up eventually, and all will be well. FG On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com <mailto:FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> > wrote: I've pasted the whole letter text, below, for anyone a curious fascination in corporate-double-speak customer communiques. I find them to be laughably trivial and insincere; they make matters less tolerable. I extracted the salient passage as Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. There's a thing called a gudgeon pin, or wrist pin, connecting the piston to the rod, and there's the "big end" which is the end of the connecting rod (maybe also called a "piston" rod" I guess) wrapped around the crank. The titanium con rod is a fully formed, single piece, single forged items which is (or at least the technique used to be) cracked apart then machined, balanced and paired in "boxer" reciprocating assemblies, then the three pairs are balanced with the crank and pistons as a single rotating assembly. It's a robotic assembly process with only a few human steps. I've not seen or read about the newest 9000 rpm redline engines, but I imagine they continue the march towards a fully mechanized assembly. In any case, there is no "screw connection" but I guess that's meant to be "accessible" language for vehicle owners who think of the 'engine' as a part to be wholly replaced when it goes bang. Fair enough. : ) Well, after all, that's how the race teams do it, right? I'm somewhat astonished by a failure at this point of the engine internals and I wonder if it reflects some break-down in the transition from development units to production units. This doesn't seem to be a materials, quality or assembly process, but a design flaw requiring the entire unit be replaced holus bolus. Surely this is the most expensive way, but Porsche has, years ago, gone to a policy of replacing whole assemblies (a whole transmission is replaced, complete in the transaxle, rather than a field tech performing even moderately simple rebuilding tasks.) It's sad to see Porsches and Ferraris becoming vehicles that, well, will future generations of car enthusiasts be restricted to a laptop for their shadetree mechanic exploits? "Oh wow, you guys, check out the 3D map I just flashed onto my ignition curves!" Adam Dear Mr. Green: As advised previously, engineers at Porsche AG have been conducting technical analysis of the Porsche 911GT3 engine in order to find a solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving your car. This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about the cause of the problem and the planned remedial actions. As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine damage, causing the vehicles to catch fire. Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of this solution, Porsche AG is currently carrying out extensive tests. At Porsche we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution, therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be installing new engines with optimized piston rod screw connections in all 2014 Porsche911 GT3 vehicles. Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your Porsche 911 GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually, as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing you with additional information within the next three weeks. We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs during this time. Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you are reunited with your Porsche 911 GT3. Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the Porsche brand. Kind regards, On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Martin Stark <mstark [at] copper.net <mailto:mstark [at] copper.net> > wrote: Just a guess, but perhaps it's a locking tab that was poorly set and flexed off. On 3/18/2014 7:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen wrote: That recall says the problem is a "loose fastener" on a connecting rod bouncing around inside the engine. I'd think if you lost a rod nut, the nut itself would be the least of your problems...... Hans. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com <mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> > wrote: WTH http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/porsche-fixes-fire-prone-911-gt3s-wit h-free-engine-replacements-220849413.html A few months ago I wrote: "I would say that your quandary of 930 based 911 GT3 (even without a clutch pedal) and the Corvette for long term reliability is probably the only valid one out there. I would not want to put any other manufacturers into that gamble..." I would like to officially retract that statement. Thanks, LS central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> 202-737-2800 <tel:202-737-2800> _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flist%40hanshansen.org Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/mstark%40copper.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flatcrank%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/fellippe.galletta%40gma il.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/pipermail/ferrari/attachments/20140320/0b60fd1f/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) To: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Message-ID: <1395338113.2601.YahooMailNeo [at] web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FG, it's not like Porsche is known for engineering or design. So we can let it slide? :) You guys are being too understanding about this.? The car is under warranty and should be repaired to the customer's satisfaction. It's not even numbers matching anymore...HAHA! LS ? central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 ________________________________ From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Porsche 911 GT3 Recall (NFC) I'd ?hate to have been the lead Engineer overseeing the 991 GT3 platform. He may never experience the potential personal liability risk that your average PE undertakes, but holy crap.....he just lost $2.5 billion for Porsche over a minor detail! ? Gotta give Porsche credit here.....they manned up on this one. They coulda went Ford Pinto here and taken the road that they'll probably never have to settle for $2.5 billion in claims.....from a typical corporation dollars and cents point of view, its what you would expect.? They'll make it up eventually, and all will be well.? FG On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Adam Green <FlatCrank [at] gmail.com> wrote: I've pasted the whole letter text, below, for anyone a curious fascination in corporate-double-speak customer communiques. ?I find them to be laughably trivial and insincere; they make matters less tolerable. I extracted the salient passage as Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested.? There's a thing called a gudgeon pin, or wrist pin, connecting the piston to the rod, and there's the "big end" which is the end of the connecting rod (maybe also called a "piston" rod" I guess) wrapped around the crank. ?The titanium con rod is a fully formed, single piece, single forged items which is (or at least the technique used to be) cracked apart then machined, balanced and paired in "boxer" reciprocating assemblies, then the three pairs are balanced with the crank and pistons as a single rotating assembly. ?It's a robotic assembly process with only a few human steps. ?I've not seen or read about the newest 9000 rpm redline engines, but I imagine they continue the march towards a fully mechanized assembly. ?In any case, there is no "screw connection" but I guess that's meant to be "accessible" language for vehicle owners who think of the 'engine' as a part to be wholly replaced when it goes bang. ?Fair enough. : ) ?Well, after all, that's how the race teams do it, right? I'm somewhat astonished by a failure at this point of the engine internals and I wonder if it reflects some break-down in the transition from development units to production units. ?This doesn't seem to be a materials, quality or assembly process, but a design flaw requiring the entire unit be replaced holus bolus. ?Surely this is the most expensive way, but Porsche has, years ago, gone to a policy of replacing whole assemblies (a whole transmission is replaced, complete in the transaxle, rather than a field tech performing even moderately simple rebuilding tasks.) ?It's sad to see Porsches and Ferraris becoming vehicles that, well, will future generations of car enthusiasts be restricted to a laptop for their shadetree mechanic exploits? ?"Oh wow, you guys, check out the 3D map I just flashed onto my ignition curves!" Adam Dear Mr. Green: As advised previously, engineers at?Porsche?AG have been conducting technical analysis of the?Porsche?911GT3?engine in order to find a solution to the problem which led us to recommend you stop driving your?car. This analysis is now completed, and we would like to inform you about the cause of the problem and the planned remedial?actions. As already communicated, two vehicles in Europe suffered engine damage, causing the vehicles to catch?fire. Analysis has revealed that in both cases the engine damage was caused by a loosened piston rod screw connection which damaged the crankcase. In order to avoid this in the future, an optimized screw connection is currently being tested. For the final validation of this solution,?Porsche?AG is currently carrying out extensive?tests. At?Porsche?we are rigorous when implementing an engineering solution, therefore, after the successful testing and validation we will be installing?new engines?with optimized piston rod screw connections in?all 2014?Porsche911?GT3?vehicles. Due to the complexity of the necessary arrangement, we are currently unable to provide you with a specific workshop date for your?Porsche?911?GT3. We will be arranging an appointment with you individually, as soon as the logistics planning is finalized. We will be providing you with additional information within the next three?weeks. We continue to remain committed to supporting your individual needs during this time. Your personal contact person will make contact with you within the next days to discuss individual solutions to bridge the gap until you are reunited with your?Porsche?911?GT3. Thank you very much for your patience and your loyalty to the?Porsche?brand. Kind regards, On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Martin Stark <mstark [at] copper.net> wrote: Just a guess, but perhaps it's a locking tab that was poorly set and flexed off. On 3/18/2014 7:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen wrote: That recall says the problem is a "loose fastener" on a connecting rod bouncing around inside the engine. I'd think if you lost a rod nut, the nut itself would be the least of your problems...... Hans. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote: WTH http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/porsche-fixes-fire-prone-911-gt3s-with-free-engine-replacements-220849413.html A few months ago I wrote: "I would say that your quandary of 930 based 911 GT3 (even without a clutch pedal) and the Corvette for long term reliability is probably the only valid one out there. I would not want to put any other manufacturers into that gamble..." I would like to officially retract that statement. Thanks, LS central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flist%40hanshansen.org Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/mstark%40copper.net Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/flatcrank%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/fellippe.galletta%40gmail.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/lashdeep%40yahoo.com Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com and F1 Headlines http://www.F1Headlines.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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- Re: Missing plane, (continued)
- Re: Missing plane Rick Moseley, March 18 2014
- Re: Missing plane Martin Stark, March 18 2014
- Re: missing plane Robert W. Garven Jr., March 21 2014
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