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Re: Ferrari's future?
From: Erik Nielsen (judge4regmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 03:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
And yet, #2 in the FCA hp war doesn't even have a prancing horse on the front. 707 hp Dodge, anyone?

Veyron replacement is rumored to be in the 1600 hp region, you've not seen anything yet...

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On Oct 8, 2014, at 11:06 PM, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

If you look at the increases in horsepower and torque with each V8 model from the Mondial / 308 - 328 - 348 - 355 - 360, they were VERY minimal along with minimal increases in performance.  It wasn't until the 430 that Ferrari really broke out and made huge increases in performance across the board.  Now with each new model they are going nuts ...
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On 10/8/14 10:12 PM, Fellippe Galletta wrote:
There was something about the F430 release that was a marked difference in performance and quality. Maybe it was the huge HP disparity between the 360 and Gallardo, but no longer did it seem like Ferrari would be "ok" with being 2nd fiddle to Lamborghini in the quoted spec sheet, which it had been from the Countach/BB/TR era up to the Diablo/Maranello era.
 
Talks of Ferraris being nice looking and sounding but underengineered and underperforming were no longer the case. Now for the most part they outdo Lambo in the objective aspects, not just subjective.
 
LS, I know the lineup has gotten soft for the most part but aren't the 360 Challenge Speciale, 430 Scuderia, and 458 Speciale up to par in the visceral feel department?
 
If they are, and Ferrari offered a proper manual or sequential manual (!) option, those cars would be fantastic.
 
I'll settle for that. The no power steering thing I'll have to get through an older car or a Caterham 7.
 
:)
 
FG

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:14 AM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:
Clyde, the 512 TR has timing belts, steel frame tubes, metal body panels, no heads up display, metal coil springs, metal intake manifold, throttle cable and no direct injection or carbon fiber? The engine is also too wide, heavy and thirsty compared to the modern supercars.

It is an ancient dinosaur and I *LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE* it...

A friend has a black one with straight pipes and the sound is ridic. A 25 yr old Gallardo owner guessed that it was made in the 70s but who cares what the current generation thinks.

One of the all time great vintage exotics.

LS
 
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From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Lash 
There is nothing outdated about a 512 
It has a cutting edge design recognized the world over and the engine and chassis as well
It came with ABS 
Traction control and stability control can much latter in most every car along with tire pressure monitors 
So you point is?

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On Oct 8, 2014, at 2:23 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

I don't care about Ferrari's business health anymore than I would about Lamborghini. It's 2014...and the brand is too valuable to kill so there is little worry that the corporate brass will let that happen.

I want some seriously pure machine to rip up asphalt in!

Can I see myself in any of their cars? No.

I'll have to start saving for a Pagani I guess.

Clyde, you hate old cars but you own an outdated, vintage dinosaur just like me.

Welcome to the Club!

LS


 
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From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Lash
Its business 
The more they sell 
The more money they make
The profit margins are out the roof on the cars 
Dealer mark up is 15% on every car
And you have to order them!
There are only 23 dealers in the US which is Ferrari's largest market
Used Ferraris one year old damn near bring MSRP 
It's like pouring sand out of shoe with the instructions on the heel !
Dealers buy back used cars from individuals and sell them at premium 
Do I have to go on anymore?


Apparently I do 
Older Ferraris are just that 
Shitty brakes and marginal A/C if at all
And you want me to spend how much for that 35 year old car?
Please 
New money is smarter than that
Look what Lexus did toMercedes 
If your going to throw $200k plus large at 4 wheels it better have decent air besides a prancing horse on the fenders 

 


Clyde Romero

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On Oct 8, 2014, at 12:42 PM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

FG, your comments were always right on.

Clyde's comment of "Ferrari only had one year where they did not sell all they made" is a scary, sad corporate sellout metric.

I'm shocked that he said that instead of commenting on the lack of soul in most of their model line.

Long live the old school hardware!

LS




 
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From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

It's a catch 22.....

You want the PURITY, absolutely.

But at the same time the exotic car business became a business much more than it ever had before. Production numbers all across the board (all manufacturers) are through the roof and the focus on quality and performance #s is also at an all time high. 

I hate to play devil's advocate here, but it might be the choice between "soul-less Ferraris" and extinction. 

A lot less risk taking in the marketplace with regards to styling, and lost in the superior engineering lately is the attention to detail that gave these cars some edge (or maybe the edge has been eliminated intentionally to please "the market"). 

I'm just lucky we grew up when these cars were real fantasies, and they'll always be around in the used market. 

And apparently that might be the cause of the recent upswing in prices for the older Italian exotic. People might finally have gotten the hint......10 years or so ago I'd post up on some of these forums and get laughed at for making these comments and now peeps are agreeing. 

Rookies. :)

FG

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:03 PM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:


Ferrari can only get worse...it has been pretty bad since LdM took over.

Passion Marques are always best under their namesake or founder. The first buyout after usually leaves a generation of virtuous models due to leftover design and technology. They models after that leftover generation start the bad slide...

LS
 
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From: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:22 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Who else wonders about what the future holds for Ferrari?  Not just because LdM has left, but also because of the Fiat/Chrysler merger.  Does anyone else think that F/C will destroy the Ferrari name/legacy?  Or does *everyone* else think that?

Jaguar also had a decade or two of floundering when its founder died in the 80's, but lately seems to be making a pretty strong comeback (if you haven't driven the new F-Type, you should - even if I could afford a new Ferrari, I might actually opt for the new F-Type R Coupe - it's a rocket ship!).

Thinking aloud here is all.....

gp

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