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Re: Ferrari's future?
From: Erik Nielsen (judge4regmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Easy, they started selling dreams instead of hardware.  Figured out how to jack up the price in the process and had plenty of suckers sign up.
 
I've moved on, the new cars do nothing for me as far as needing to posses them.  Everything I like was made pre-1989.  Give me a nice 20000 series Rolls Royce Silver Spur in blue/tan or black/tan and I'm done.
 
Erik
- old fart in training.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:
Rick, you illustrate another incredible sad point here.

Ferraris sub $300k cars aren't much better than a Corvette, Viper, Z/28, etc.

It used to be that looks, driving experience and heritage made the distinction but I cannot tell a 599 from a Toyota Supra at a distance and my vision is superb.

So, yes, I love the F60 and variants but the others are a waste of $$$.

What happened???

LS
 



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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 8:20 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Yes, but you are comparing apples and oranges.  You are comparing other's hyper-cars to Ferrari daily drivers.  I think the Enzo and LaFerrari hold their own with the cars you are mentioning.   How many of the makers you mention even make a sub $300k car?




On Oct 8, 2014, at 12:52 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Rick, unfortunately I disagree completely with your assessment.

The 348 wasn't perfect but the 355 was worse from an engineering standpoint. The 360 was the first car that didn't look like a Ferrari and it just got watered down from there. The first time I heard of a former BMW M3 owner buying a 360, I knew it was over.

The 550 and 575 are...soft and boring. I've tried to like them for years but they are just not for me. And I'm not even young anymore.

On the other hand, I find the Pagani Zonda R, Koeniggsegggggggggg models, Carrera GT and Maserati MC12 sensational.

So, it's not that I like only the older cars.

LS
 



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wines-spirits   est 1934

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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Lash,
I'd disagree...  When LdM took over, the current car in the pipeline was the 348... and no offense to their owners but they were pretty poor in both function and build quality.  I'd say the cars that came after LdM were a lot better with every iteration.   The 355, 360 lineage up to the 458 are pretty solid cars who only suffer from trying to be too advanced for their own good.  Same for the 550, 575 and up on that side.   Now if you stray away into those cars that were developed to satisfy the FaceBook generation (read FF), yeah there has been a slide.   I'd like to see Ferrari cut back on the product line diversity and make a few cars that are just dependable weapons!!

I purposely left out the Super/Hyper cars.  I believe they stand on their own merit.  I just think they need to fire the marketing folks who name them.  I mean, seriously.... if I owned a LaFerrari I'd cut the "La" off and patch the hole.  And while I'm spewing opinions, the last GTO didn't deserve the moniker either.   But what do I know... I just told everyone I have a brain injury!  <grin>

cLyDe....?????

Rick




From: LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Ferrari can only get worse...it has been pretty bad since LdM took over.

Passion Marques are always best under their namesake or founder. The first buyout after usually leaves a generation of virtuous models due to leftover design and technology. They models after that leftover generation start the bad slide...

LS
 



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625 e street nw
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From: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 12:22 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Ferrari's future?

Who else wonders about what the future holds for Ferrari?  Not just because LdM has left, but also because of the Fiat/Chrysler merger.  Does anyone else think that F/C will destroy the Ferrari name/legacy?  Or does *everyone* else think that?

Jaguar also had a decade or two of floundering when its founder died in the 80's, but lately seems to be making a pretty strong comeback (if you haven't driven the new F-Type, you should - even if I could afford a new Ferrari, I might actually opt for the new F-Type R Coupe - it's a rocket ship!).

Thinking aloud here is all.....

gp

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