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From: Rick (rolindsay yahoo.com)
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| Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:55:25 -0800 (PST) | |
Erik wrote,
> Still, no one cares and no one is watching. The sport is dying,
> Bernie et. al. will get paid but the rest of the world will shrug its
shoulders and say meh...
And that is exactly what happened with the old tradition of a "World Fair". Those that came, had a pretty good time but no one made money but the planners and organizers! That event is now dead!
The only thing that would make F1 fly again would be to open it up to high-tech (or no-tech) and impose nothing more than safety standards. Open wheel CanAm for the 21st century!
-rick
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1. Re: Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc. (Clyde Romero)
2. Re: Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc. (Clyde Romero)
3. Re: Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc. (Rick Moseley)
4. Re: Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc. (LS)
5. Re: Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc. (Erik Nielsen)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:20:16 -0500
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
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I agree this has been the most lackluster season ever
Clyde Romero
In Victory you deserve Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> You guys up for the last GP of the season? Yea, uhhh, me neither. I think the race may be pretty good but, who gives a wet damn who wins? The points abortion makes actual performance meaningless. The championship winner may well come down to randomizing elements!
>
> What we may see is some good back-marker racing. I mean, no one needs to protect the cars for the next race! Could be a good race back there. Up front, it could be a parade. Either way, I'll watch, on the DVR so I can deny Formula 1 Group their advertising.
>
> A point of interest: I just spent the last 10 days in Europe (Germany, Holland, France and Switzerland) and NO ONE was talking about F1. No news stories. No posters in windows. Nothing. That's pretty telling...
>
> -rick
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:21:22 -0500
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
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The most exciting thing about Lewis is his whining when things don't go his way
Clyde Romero
In Victory you deserve Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rules
You miss all the fun !
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> wrote:
>
> Sad, but true.
>
> And I?m in favor of randomizing elements if they benefit Rosberg over Hamilton. Hamilton just rubs me the wrong way, despite his serious talent.
>
> But if the best I can hope for from F1 now is to settle a personal grudge between people I?ve never met, yawn?
>
>
>
> From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:27 PM
> To: Charles Perry
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> You guys up for the last GP of the season? Yea, uhhh, me neither. I think the race may be pretty good but, who gives a wet damn who wins? The points abortion makes actual performance meaningless. The championship winner may well come down to randomizing elements!
>
> What we may see is some good back-marker racing. I mean, no one needs to protect the cars for the next race! Could be a good race back there. Up front, it could be a parade. Either way, I'll watch, on the DVR so I can deny Formula 1 Group their advertising.
>
> A point of interest: I just spent the last 10 days in Europe (Germany, Holland, France and Switzerland) and NO ONE was talking about F1. No news stories. No posters in windows. Nothing. That's pretty telling...
>
> -rick
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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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I think this was epitomized by the crash of Bianchi... and the whole "paid seat" driver issue in F1. As soon as Bianchi was hurt and his paid seat money stopped, the team imploded around him.
I just don't see that there should be paid seats in F1. F1 should be the best drivers in the best cars a team can field. Instead we are looking at paid seats, no testing, crap tires, carnival points, frozen motor homologations, green cars (yeah, what they don't tell you is they are tossing $400K worth of toxic batteries every week...per car), cars that sound flatulent, technologies that might actually help road cars (FRIC) being banned... shall I go on?
And its all in the name of putting on an "appearance" that its something they are not... anymore.
And this whole row over the motors... Mercedes will quit if they don't use turbo V6s... waaaah. Some teams want the V8's back, some want a V12 again. -EASY, get rid of most of the stinking regulations and go back to Formula One at its essence... Weight, Wheelbase, Displacement (use a modifier for turbo vs. NA)... add the safety/crash regs. Then stand back and stay the F out of the designer's way. Let them test but only on their home track (see how many stay in rainy England). OH, and get rid of Charlie Whiting and his moveable aero NAZIs!! And get rid of DRS. Its only viable if all drivers can use it everywhere... and then why have it?
<soap box mode off>
Rick
>________________________________
> From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
>To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
>
>
>
>I agree this has been the most lackluster season ever
>
>
>
>Clyde Romero
>
>In Victory you deserve Champagne
>In Defeat You Need It!
>
>If you obey all the rules
>You miss all the fun !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Gang,
>>
>>
>>You guys up for the last GP of the season? Yea, uhhh, me neither. I think the race may be pretty good but, who gives a wet damn who wins? The points abortion makes actual performance meaningless. The championship winner may well come down to randomizing elements!
>>
>>
>>What we may see is some good back-marker racing. I mean, no one needs to protect the cars for the next race! Could be a good race back there. Up front, it could be a parade. Either way, I'll watch, on the DVR so I can deny Formula 1 Group their advertising.
>>
>>
>>A point of interest: I just spent the last 10 days in Europe (Germany, Holland, France and Switzerland) and NO ONE was talking about F1. No news stories. No posters in windows. Nothing. That's pretty telling...
>>
>>
>>-rick
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:16:17 +0000 (UTC)
From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
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Rick, well put.
I would only add that the Displacement regulation is archaic and meaningless. The engine limiting intiative should be incorporated into the Fuel Economy and Weight.
If the car can be fuel efficient and still come in under weight then it shouldn't matter if it is a 4.0 liter V8 or a 2.0 liter twin turbo V6 since the latter could be more thirsty and heavier.
This would really motivate the engineers to produce the most efficient and reliable powerplant possible.
LS
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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
I think this was epitomized by the crash of Bianchi... and the whole "paid seat" driver issue in F1.? As soon as Bianchi was hurt and his paid seat money stopped, the team imploded around him.
I just don't see that there should be paid seats in F1.? F1 should be the best drivers in the best cars a team can field.? Instead we are looking at paid seats, no testing, crap tires, carnival points, frozen motor homologations, green cars (yeah, what they don't tell you is they are tossing $400K worth of toxic batteries every week...per car), cars that sound flatulent, technologies that might actually help road cars (FRIC) being banned... shall I go on?
And its all in the name of putting on an "appearance" that its something they are not...? anymore.
And this whole row over the motors... Mercedes will quit if they don't use turbo V6s... waaaah.? Some teams want the V8's back, some want a V12 again.? -EASY, get rid of most of the stinking regulations and go back to Formula One at its essence...? Weight, Wheelbase, Displacement (use a modifier for turbo vs. NA)...? add the safety/crash regs.? Then stand back and stay the F out of the designer's way.?? Let them test but only on their home track? (see how many stay in rainy England).?? OH, and get rid of Charlie Whiting and his moveable aero NAZIs!!? And get rid of DRS.? Its only viable if all drivers can use it everywhere... and then why have it?
<soap box mode off>Rick
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
I agree this has been the most lackluster season ever?
Clyde Romero
In Victory you deserve ChampagneIn Defeat You Need It!
If you obey all the rulesYou miss all the fun !
On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Gang,
You guys up for the last GP of the season? Yea, uhhh, me neither. I think the race may be pretty good but, who gives a wet damn who wins? The points abortion makes actual performance meaningless. The championship winner may well come down to randomizing elements!?
What we may see is some good back-marker racing. I mean, no one needs to protect the cars for the next race! Could be a good race back there. Up front, it could be a parade. Either way, I'll watch, on the DVR so I can deny ?Formula 1 Group their advertising.
A point of interest: I just spent the last 10 days in Europe (Germany, Holland, France and Switzerland) and NO ONE was talking about F1. No news stories. No posters in windows. Nothing. That's pretty telling...
-rick
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From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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Specify dimensions, minimum weight, safety requirements and fuel per race
allotment. Let the engineers have at it.
Still, no one cares and no one is watching. The sport is dying, Bernie et.
al. will get paid but the rest of the world will shrug its shoulders and
say meh...
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, LS via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
wrote:
> Rick, well put.
>
> I would only add that the Displacement regulation is archaic and
> meaningless. The engine limiting intiative should be incorporated into the
> Fuel Economy and Weight.
>
> If the car can be fuel efficient and still come in under weight then it
> shouldn't matter if it is a 4.0 liter V8 or a 2.0 liter twin turbo V6 since
> the latter could be more thirsty and heavier.
>
> This would really motivate the engineers to produce the most efficient and
> reliable powerplant possible.
>
> LS
>
>
>
>
> *central *
>
> *wines-spirits est 1934*
>
>
> *625 e street nw*
> *washington, dc 20004*
>
>
> *centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/>*
>
>
> *facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> *
>
> *202-737-2800 <202-737-2800>*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
> *To:* LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:27 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
>
> I think this was epitomized by the crash of Bianchi... and the whole "paid
> seat" driver issue in F1. As soon as Bianchi was hurt and his paid seat
> money stopped, the team imploded around him.
>
> I just don't see that there should be paid seats in F1. F1 should be the
> best drivers in the best cars a team can field. Instead we are looking at
> paid seats, no testing, crap tires, carnival points, frozen motor
> homologations, green cars (yeah, what they don't tell you is they are
> tossing $400K worth of toxic batteries every week...per car), cars that
> sound flatulent, technologies that might actually help road cars (FRIC)
> being banned... shall I go on?
>
> And its all in the name of putting on an "appearance" that its something
> they are not... anymore.
>
> And this whole row over the motors... Mercedes will quit if they don't use
> turbo V6s... waaaah. Some teams want the V8's back, some want a V12
> again. -EASY, get rid of most of the stinking regulations and go back to
> Formula One at its essence... Weight, Wheelbase, Displacement (use a
> modifier for turbo vs. NA)... add the safety/crash regs. Then stand back
> and stay the F out of the designer's way. Let them test but only on their
> home track (see how many stay in rainy England). OH, and get rid of
> Charlie Whiting and his moveable aero NAZIs!! And get rid of DRS. Its
> only viable if all drivers can use it everywhere... and then why have it?
>
> <soap box mode off>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
> *To:* Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
> *Cc:* The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:20 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ferrari] Abu Dhabi F1 points, etc.
>
> I agree this has been the most lackluster season ever
>
>
> Clyde Romero
>
> In Victory you deserve Champagne
> In Defeat You Need It!
> If you obey all the rules
> You miss all the fun !
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> You guys up for the last GP of the season? Yea, uhhh, me neither. I think
> the race may be pretty good but, who gives a wet damn who wins? The points
> abortion makes actual performance meaningless. The championship winner may
> well come down to randomizing elements!
>
> What we may see is some good back-marker racing. I mean, no one needs to
> protect the cars for the next race! Could be a good race back there. Up
> front, it could be a parade. Either way, I'll watch, on the DVR so I can
> deny Formula 1 Group their advertising.
>
> A point of interest: I just spent the last 10 days in Europe (Germany,
> Holland, France and Switzerland) and NO ONE was talking about F1. No news
> stories. No posters in windows. Nothing. That's pretty telling...
>
> -rick
>
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